How to overcome hatred of marks left?

Also, more on topic, I found a constructive way to reframe the marks in my head if I see them in the less front-and-center places that they have agreed to place them: if I see them, and see that he has moved them to places that will be less triggering to me, they will be symbolic of his beautiful capability of and willingness to compromise with me—a symbol of our love, even if placed by another. I think everything is going to be OK. :eek:
 
Reverie - I haven't chimed in on this thread because the points I would have made were made by others. But I just wanted to let you know that I think you are doing a remarkable job! You are looking at your reactions and seeking advice - about what YOU can do to assuage your concerns (the fact that THEY are also willing to make changes is extra super special love). You recognize that you are on a learning curve and you are not defensive but open to learning more and more about yourself and your responses.

FWIW - we are also "kitchen table poly" sort of folks. There is no expectation that partners of one are partners of all BUT anyone that wakes up in our house should feel free to make some coffee, cook an egg, put the dog(s) out, etc. Partners of partners are "family" of some sort...

I let very few people into my home - if one of my partners feels that you are important enough to bring around then you are, by extension, important to me as well - at least until we have enough experience with each other to have our own relationship.
 
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Well, this is something for the three of them to work out, but certainly not by getting into a pissing compedesirinor in this case, leaving marks on the man. Anything that "marks your territory" is very primal and deeply rooted in competition for resources and it just seems to me that Reverie's aspirations are to talk about this kind of stuff instead of to get involved in a symbolic branding war. Her experience with Claire really clarified for her that she greatly prefers to be on cooperative terms with her metas, at very least. Not sure if "group relationship" is what she is going for, but certainly camaraderie. If potential metas are not into that or unsure, then that's a discussion to be had.

But its not a 3way relationship so why is it for the 3 of them to work out ? Isn't it rider's job as a hinge?

I don't think Kelly and rider's needle play was marking territory. He wanted to do it, it's his body and his choice to do so. So how is his desire for needle play her marking him?
 
Also, more on topic, I found a constructive way to reframe the marks in that had if I see them in the less front-and-center places that they have agreed to place them: if I see them, and see that he has moved them to places that will be less triggering to me, they will be symbolic of his beautiful capability of and willingness to compromise with me—a symbol of our love, even if placed by another. I think everything is going to be OK. :eek:

That sounds like a good compromise and im glad you can find a silver lining in this. Its true, that in him capitulating to you that he's showing that he respects your feelings. This is definitely a win win.
 
Reverie - I haven't chimed in on this thread because the points I would have made were made by others. But I just wanted to let you know that I think you are doing a remarkable job! You are looking at your reactions and seeking advice - about what YOU can do to assuage your concerns (the fact that THEY are also willing to make changes is extra super special love). You recognize that you are on a learning curve and you are not defensive but open to learning more and more about yourself and your responses.

FWIW - we are also "kitchen table poly" sort of folks. There is no expectation that partners of one are partners of all BUT anyone that wakes up in our house should feel free to make some coffee, cook an egg, put the dog(s) out, etc. Partners of partners are "family" of some sort...

I let very few people into my home - if one of my partners feels that you are important enough to bring around then you are, by extension, important to me as well - at least until we have enough experience with each other to have our own relationship.

Thank you for this. And yes, it is extra super special love that they are willing to make changes for me—exactly why "reframing" suddenly comes so easily to me. :)
 
That sounds like a good compromise and im glad you can find a silver lining in this. Its true, that in him capitulating to you that he's showing that he respects your feelings. This is definitely a win win.

I think it is a win-win too. It might be splitting hairs, but I feel like in your use of the word "capitulate," which denotes caving to an adversary, you still mistake the nature of the dynamic, though. When I expressed my discomfort, he is the one who asked whether there was a workable compromise to ease some of it, suggesting a shirt or cover-up makeup. The change in location was an idea I'd tossed out in the spirit of working with him and brainstorming solutions; it was never a demand that he was succumbing or capitulating to, and we were working as a team rather than as adversaries. Making concessions rather than leaving me to just "power through it" was entirely his idea, and I feel quite lucky to have a partner who is so committed to finding a solution that works for everyone, to the degree that it is possible.

When I told him about this thread and read him some of the posts, he offered to make an account here and chime in with his own viewpoint to clear up any confusion, but I told him that probably wasn't necessary. I suppose he still might at some point, or if confusion persists.
 
Sounds like you are doing better with it all. Glad to hear it!

Galagirl

Yes, indeed. Yet another occasion of a difficulty and subsequent resolution bringing us even closer together! And I'm not sure it would have gone nearly as smoothly without the help of the forumites. Thank you!
 
Sorry, I may have skimmed this thread a bit -- but did you figure out WHY it bugged you so much? IMHO, your energy be put to better use to examine why it was a"trigger" for you, rather than asking him to adjust his activities and/or reframing what it means.

Yeah, I did. It was because seeing the marks while we were having sex made me feel like I was being forced to think of a third person during that intimate time, which made me feel like we weren't really getting any pure "us time" all week. I don't mind others being involved in our sex life sometimes, but I want it to be opt-in and not something I *must* think about without having a choice in the matter. I'm a very visual person, and I tend to do a lot of looking/staring during sex, and seeing the marks distracted me and made it harder for me to stay in the moment. The reframing is useful because it turns it into something us-related again, therefore removing that "third person present in some way" feeling. Does that make sense?
 
I'm so glad to read about your resolution and decisions made. :D Fantastic - I very much hope that the adjustments make all the difference.

I also watch carefully for signs of people wanting to compete with me. Don't necessarily do anything about it but sometimes it is useful to be aware.

Some people seem to feel the need for it. I have a friend who seems to feel a need for a little competition in relationships. I find it utterly strange and for ages thought I was imagining it. Over the course of years the number of incidents added up until I couldn't deny them to myself.

I don't compete at all and I find it hard to be around people who want to turn things - especially relationships - into a competition so it has had an impact.
My partner, Art, is closer to her and it's his time and affection that triggers these competitive incidents so I normally make myself scarce if they are seeing each other alone. I'll turn up if there will be a group because it seems to take the pressure off. I am also willing to make plans to see my friend alone - it tends not to be a problem if Art isn't there.

That sort of competing for people's affection is just so far out of my experience of the world that it took me ages to recognise what was going on. I'm not into competing for the affections of those close to me so I've made adjustments to keep it to a minimum in my life.

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Part of why I love a thread like this is that it gives me something to think about (and maybe go back to) in case it comes up in any of my polyships. If someone was having trouble articulating something about marks, I would definitely come back here and take notes to ask if any of the thoughts that have come out here might be relevant.

Jon loves leaving marks (and I love having Jon's marks on my body) and I honestly never considered overmuch how that might feel to another partner. Issi and Jon have left "marks messages" on me before, but all of us were "in on it" so to speak, and it was all done in a spirit of remarkable silliness, given that they're both Dom/me(s). Issi is also a great lover of leaving marks, so it hadn't occurred to me (as I knew that going in) that she would have a problem with marks left by Jon. And she didn't; she used to sometimes ask him how he'd get certain marks to happen.

I doubt this will happen with piercing play, but one thing that I have discovered is that for other activities that leave bruises (biting and impact play mostly), if you do it long enough and often enough, you stop bruising or bruise WAY less. It's actually pretty rare these days for Jon to leave any kind of bruise on me, so given that we both love marks, we've moved on to other ways of marking.
 
Hey Reverie,

Just thought I'd mention I've been following this thread, and was glad to hear that things were brought to an agreeable resolution. I think your current metamour is still new to you and you are trying to get a feel for her. Her willingness to abide by the new guidelines is a good sign.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
I'm so glad to read about your resolution and decisions made. :D Fantastic - I very much hope that the adjustments make all the difference.

I really think they will. We shall see! Also, I may get used to the marks from them being in their new location and "reframed" so that over time, I'll just be completely comfortable with them being wherever. That is my aim!

That sort of competing for people's affection is just so far out of my experience of the world that it took me ages to recognise what was going on. I'm not into competing for the affections of those close to me so I've made adjustments to keep it to a minimum in my life.

Yeah, even if once in a while I might *feel* a bit of competitiveness (usually stirred up in me by other people starting it), it seems silly to me to act on it. There have been times in earlier situations in my boyfriend's last relationship where he suggested doing XYZ with a particular person first, so as not to stir up jealousy, or doing a tit-for-tat thing so that everything is fair, and I've just been like, "Dude, keeping score and marking who does what first is just keeping competition at the forefront of everyone's minds. You don't have to do that for me—or for her, for that matter. If feelings come up, they come up and we deal with them, but to keep score and to try to dole things out like it's a competition for resources just makes it seem like it actually is, when it is not."

Part of why I love a thread like this is that it gives me something to think about (and maybe go back to) in case it comes up in any of my polyships. If someone was having trouble articulating something about marks, I would definitely come back here and take notes to ask if any of the thoughts that have come out here might be relevant.

I really love how other people seem to be getting so much use out of this thread. It's one of the things that I love about forums: I present my own tiny, super-specific problem, and somehow it manages to resonate with or be useful to way more people than just me. Not to mention the broad range of responses that I get, in terms of people's widely differing viewpoints on whether the marks are good or bad; whether my response is understandable or overreacting; whether the solutions proposed are adequate, inadequate, overkill; etc.

Jon loves leaving marks (and I love having Jon's marks on my body) and I honestly never considered overmuch how that might feel to another partner. Issi and Jon have left "marks messages" on me before, but all of us were "in on it" so to speak, and it was all done in a spirit of remarkable silliness, given that they're both Dom/me(s). Issi is also a great lover of leaving marks, so it hadn't occurred to me (as I knew that going in) that she would have a problem with marks left by Jon. And she didn't; she used to sometimes ask him how he'd get certain marks to happen.

I doubt this will happen with piercing play, but one thing that I have discovered is that for other activities that leave bruises (biting and impact play mostly), if you do it long enough and often enough, you stop bruising or bruise WAY less. It's actually pretty rare these days for Jon to leave any kind of bruise on me, so given that we both love marks, we've moved on to other ways of marking.

Well, that's the interesting thing about my reaction: I'm not anti-marks in general. Not that long ago, my boyfriend accidentally left hickeys on my neck (the first time since I'd had any since high school), and I was fascinated and thrilled by them; last year, my best friend and another girl spanked me until my ass was all bruised up at fetish party that we'd gone to with my boyfriend, and I was tickled to see the bruises; and an ex and I used to play a game where he'd give my ass one good smack and see how many days he could get the handprint outline to last. And not to mention that in the past I have been into sensual cutting (myself) and I actually have a fair number of scars from that. MY BOYFRIEND is actually the one who, in general, does not even like to be marked, and expressed his own wishing that it really hadn't left marks, but not to the point that he was unwilling to engage in the practice again. I think that, indeed, marks can be fun. They just were the opposite for me in this particular case.

Just thought I'd mention I've been following this thread, and was glad to hear that things were brought to an agreeable resolution. I think your current metamour is still new to you and you are trying to get a feel for her. Her willingness to abide by the new guidelines is a good sign.

Thanks! It's true that it's a good sign, though she doesn't know that the reason for the guidelines is my discomfort (my boyfriend was worried that telling her that would cause HER discomfort), so she has been led to believe that it all comes from his own dislike of marks. Time will just have to tell how everything shakes out in terms of her following his guidelines, and in terms of how the guidelines indeed affect my reactions, but I have a good feeling so far. :)

It's also true that I'm trying to get a feel for her. I like her so far, on the whole. I'm sure that as time passes, everyone's comfort with the situation will increase.
 
I have a good feeling about it too ... don't know quite how to explain it but.
 
I also want to voice my admiration of you, Reverie, handling this in such a positive, healthy way. It has certainly sparked thoughts in my mind about how seeing marks might impact me with Roger (or Jack, if he decides to date someone new). I know that after Roger shared sex with Taylor for the first time, she left bruises on his body and that was quite difficult for me to manage, but then again, they were somewhat out of sight when we were sharing sex and I was able to get past them in the moment. But I love following this thread and hearing your resolution of this all. So thank you for sharing. :eek:
 
I've also really enjoyed this thread. It's helpful me to read the discussion on marks. I'm not into any BDSM so they mess with me when lady has them on various levels. As she and I are not currently trying to date I just let it go. But it's nice to see all the perspectives and hold those views in my head to help me see multiple perspectives about it. Thank you reverie for having this conversation here.
 
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