Introduction: Being new to poly is scary!

amouthforwar

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Hey all. I have been lurking here for a while, looking for guidance and trying my damnedest to learn from the stories shared here. I appreciate this place as a community and resource so so much. I intend to begin sharing my story as well, and figured it was fitting to introduce myself.

I am 30 M, consider myself demisexual, and brand spanking new to a polyamory. I have heard of poly before, but only loosely understood what beliefs made up the foundation of polyamory and what that relationship structure looked like. It was never something I had any real desire or need for.

I have only ever been in heterosexual, monogamous relationships. Those past relationships were a range of experiences both good and bad. I've experienced devastatingly toxic and codependent attachments, but also very stable and fulfilling partnerships that simply didn't work out due to incompatible values or ideals. All of these experiences have taught me something and opened my eyes to my personal needs, boundaries, and provided a lot of insight for me to do necessary work on myself. I have spent years working through traumas from familial narcissistic abuse, codependent patterns in relationships that stem from that, and trying to unlearn my own toxic patterns of behavior. I am proud of the progress I have made and intend to continue that work forever. I believe I'm finally in a place where I feel like I have control of myself and am leading a fulfilling life. It has had a profound impact on all of the relationships in my life, and allowed me to experience a more rich kind of love with the people around me than I have ever felt before.

My previous relationship (monogamous with someone we'll refer to as Sequoia) was largely devoid of conflict, but there were a lot of incompatibilities and some issues with communication. There was a lot of mutual love and respect, but we had wildly different worldviews and visions for our individual lives. We were partnered for nearly 4 years, and I proposed breaking up as she was taking a job that required her to move out of state. Sequoia was on a life/career trajectory that was far too different from mine, and the break-up was amicable. It really hurt to have to dissolve a relationship I considered pretty stable, very unlike some of my past experiences. I stayed single for about 2 years following. I dreaded having to invest so much time and work into building another relationship with someone only to have that dissolution happen again. I thought a lot about what I need in a relationship and in a partner. I thought a lot about what I wanted for myself in my own life and the kind of person I wanted to be. I thought a lot about past relationships (romantic, platonic, or otherwise) that didn't serve me and why that was. There was a lot of enlightenment and development of self during that period that I am so so grateful for.

During that time post-breakup, I became closer to a friend (we'll call her Aspen, 30s F) I have been acquainted with for years but never had the opportunity to get to know more personally. The more I've gotten to learn about her, the more I really admired Aspen and found that we connected in a lot of ways that I hadn't experienced with many people before. Over time, I was introduced to her husband (Birch, 30s M), and some of her friends -- I introduced her to many of mine, as well as my brother. We had frequent hangouts together as friends, board-game nights, group events/trips and chill hangouts. Those times brought me a lot of joy, comfort, and peace. I felt at home around them all and we all felt comfortable being ourselves without judgment in those instances. I really grew to value her presence in my life especially. Aspen and Birch disclosed with me that they were in an open relationship at some point, which was new to me as I had never known anyone that was in that sort of arrangement. While I acknowledged to myself that I had feelings for her that extended beyond "typical" friendship, I still desired to keep things platonic. They remained that way for quite a long time.

After a particular game night Aspen walked me to my car and professed that she had discussed with Birch about shifting their relationship structure to polyamory, and that she had romantic feelings for me. I responded similarly. We have been dating for about 4 months since that night. Oddly enough, I feel really comfortable with polyamory -- Aspen has her husband Birch, as well as another long-distance love interest, and I have maintained partnerships with other people I was dating non-exclusively before. My connection with Aspen is deeper than others, though. It's been an incredible experience getting to know each other even more intimately and vulnerably. The love and admiration and respect that I felt for Aspen in friendship has been validated more and more as a romantic partner. I am aware of NRE, and I am making active efforts to remain grounded in my perspectives, but my relationship with Aspen is legitimately fulfilling in the ways I've come to learn were critical needs for me. Her core values align with the ones I have defined for myself. Communication between us is mature and safe and productive. There is mutual encouragement of each other's growth and self-agency. The sex is intimate and often feels nearly spiritual (and has literally brought one or both of us to happy tears on more than one occasion).

It feels easy for me to act from a place of secure attachment with Aspen, and so much good has already come from that even this early on.

However, other things have not been easy. I entered this relationship with confidence that their marriage being open prior would make the transition to poly smoother than it has been. I can see the ways in which we made so many mistakes jumping into this without doing a lot of the groundwork that many experienced poly people deem vital. Polyamory has exposed many ruptures in their relationship, and has raised concerns to me that this entire situation may be poly under duress. Even more concerning is that I don't believe the duress is solely from ignorance or bad hinging. I've started to see ways in which I believe Birch has and continues to emotionally abuse Aspen (whether intentionally or not), and it has been triggering for me. It has been difficult for me to voice my concerns for her well-being while enforcing boundaries to protect myself as well.

Thank you those who come to read my first post here. I will be following up soon, likely with some specific questions/concerns and necessary information. I aim to continue sharing my experience and learning from all of yours', and hope that in doing so it may provide something useful to others :)
 
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Thanks for your well-written and interesting intro. I am sorry your new gf's marriage is not all it was cracked up to be. I look forward to you starting a thread in the Poly Relationships section for more discussion, information, support or whatever you need.
 
Welcome.

While I'm glad your budding connection with Aspen is going well, I'm sorry to hear you are learning things about your meta Birch that you don't feel great about.

Poly does have a way of shining a light on all the cracks already there.

I can see the ways in which we made so many mistakes jumping into this without doing a lot of the groundwork that many experienced poly people deem vital.

What are you doing to address your share of that? Reading books? Listening to podcasts? Seeking a poly counselor? Something else?

Polyamory has exposed many ruptures in their relationship, and has raised concerns to me that this entire situation may be poly under duress.

What gives you this impression?


Even more concerning is that I don't believe the duress is solely from ignorance or bad hinging. I've started to see ways in which I believe Birch has and continues to emotionally abuse Aspen (whether intentionally or not), and it has been triggering for me.

Have you told Aspen this?


It has been difficult for me to voice my concerns for her well-being while enforcing boundaries to protect myself as well.

"Aspen, I have observed _____. I experience ______. I'm worried Birch is emotionally abusing you. Are you ok? Is this normal in your relationship? I an concerned for your well being.

I'm not comfortable with that, so at this time I don't want to hang out with you and Birch in a group / can't listen to you telling me stuff you really need to be telling a counselor."

Could something like that help you?

Galagirl
 
Sorry you are having those feelings. I have no idea if there is poly under duress, etc. but I would like to note another possibility, based on personal experience. When my gf and I met, she had a partner whom she described as very secure about their open relationship. They tended to do same room play with other couples, and she implied there had been many such experiences. But they also dated others solo, which is what I wanted (my wife and I don't do same room play, but to each their own!). She even talked about her partner having sex with someone else recently (at that time), which seemed like a normal thing.

So, my perspective was like yours. I have a secure, open relationship. So do they! Yay! No drama (ok....no obvious drama...there's almost always some!).

What I didn't know: Ok, her partner did have sex with someone else. That was the first time it had happened. The other play with other couples have never involved PIV or even oral sex with others (for either of them!). In fact, I didn't find out that she (my gf) had not had sex with anyone other than this partner in the time they had opened their relationship until basically right before we had sex. At that point, I still thought my metamour had done so several times...nope, just once.

Long story short, our having sex triggered my metamour big time! He didn't know it would; she didn't know it would (if I had known all the above, I would have expected it! But you know...that's easy for me to say). He's getting better, and there are factors that are contributing here...my gf doesn't have sex with people unless she has deep feelings (in our case, love). He knows that, which made the whole thing a bit harder for him. It's the first time in his life he's had to deal with this particular thing (his partner being in love and having sex with someone else). Again, I didn't know this was the case until it happened, and they didn't know how everyone would feel until it happened.

It's POSSIBLE that's what is happening to you. Maybe there is something different/new about your relationship, which is bringing up some things they haven't experienced before. It doesn't mean it was duress. It doesn't mean anyone is/was lying. Those are all possible, of course! But sometimes peoples' feelings change in ways even they didn't expect.
 
When people make a big distinction about shifting from open to polyamorous, I basically discount their previous ENM experience and view them as just newly poly. There are disadvantages to making thag shift compared to making a straight shift from mono to poly.

I get what you mean here, if you are distinguishing 'open' from 'poly' as meaning 'we can have sex with other people' vs. 'we can fall in love with other people'. But I think many couples don't know which one they want, or they might disagree but be using the same labels for each. In general, polyamory is a form of ENM. If a couple opens a relationship and one is thinking that means sex, maybe some feelings, but not love, and the other is NOT thinking of such boundaries, misunderstandings can happen. Yes, people should talk more, communicate better, etc. But we all know that there are gaps in that.

Still, I agree with your overall point that there can be disadvantages to the 'easing into poly' approach. I'm sure there are disadvantages to the 'jump straight to poly' approach too.
 
I get what you mean here, if you are distinguishing 'open' from 'poly' as meaning 'we can have sex with other people' vs. 'we can fall in love with other people'. But I think many couples don't know which one they want, or they might disagree but be using the same labels for each. In general, polyamory is a form of ENM. If a couple opens a relationship and one is thinking that means sex, maybe some feelings, but not love, and the other is NOT thinking of such boundaries, misunderstandings can happen. Yes, people should talk more, communicate better, etc. But we all know that there are gaps in that.

Still, I agree with your overall point that there can be disadvantages to the 'easing into poly' approach. I'm sure there are disadvantages to the 'jump straight to poly' approach too.


But let me try and explain what I mean a bit more. I know some people who don't use the term "polyamorous" even though they are. They'll say they're in an "open relationship". It's just the terminology they prefer. However, their values can be quite fiercely in the realm of egalitarian poly. They'd think some expressions of hierarchy are immoral.

If they had to use the term polyamorous, it wouldn't be a major shift for them in terms of their relationship boundaries or the way they seek compatible partners.

Then there are other people who use "open" because they want to distinguish their boundaries from typical poly ones.

Both sets of people can have the same relationship issues but the latter have to explain that this shift is a major landmark in their relationship.
 
Thank you all for the welcome.

@GalaGirl thank you for the questions you posed. I do intend to get to these questions and offer more details on my story in other areas of this forum (I have posted a first entry in the Blogs section as a sort of journal for myself). But yes, I have been reading Polysecure, listening to the Multiamory Podcast as well as a few other love/relationships podcasts I follow that have episodes on non-monogamy/poly. I do intend to seek a poly-affirming counselor soon.

I get the impression that it may be PUD because Birch is quite clearly distressed over the shift in dynamic. I had initially assumed that Aspen was just being a bad hinge, but some other things have come to light that have changed my perspective on that. I did have a very difficult conversation with Aspen about Birch's patterns of behavior just this past weekend. I tried not to be accusatory and refuse to vilify Birch, but made it clear that I have boundaries regarding how much access I give to people that treat others in the way that he has. I stated simply that I would like to be parallel rather than a V and my expectations of what that would look like. I think I may have actually stated what you had proposed nearly verbatim lmao

@Openbook23 Thank you for sharing that! It's nice to hear that others have had a similar experience. Birch expressed clearly that it was triggering for him to learn that Aspen & I had finally had sex. It took a while for us to get to that point. There are other things that have been very triggering for him too, and he has commented on even so much as seeing the way she looks at me. He has been sort of open about that.

That said, I think yours & my circumstances differ a bit. Birch most definitely has been having extra-marital sexual connections for quite some time, and quite frequently. They both shared with me that they've even had group encounters together before too. Even now, Birch continues to hook up with others frequently. I support it but this is also problematic to me on some levels. He has recently started dating with the intention of trying to develop connections beyond just sex, and has someone he has been seeing regularly in that regard. Aspen did disclose that she has had extra-marital sex with another lover, but that person has since moved quite far and Aspen was never sure if having a more structured relationship with them was/is viable. I have not asked about how Birch felt about that or how they navigated her having that connection yet, but it is something I'm curious about.
 
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Greetings amouthforwar,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

Thanks for sharing your story. Like you, I went poly with a specific person in mind, and that actually worked out for me totally fine. Almost every "best practices rule" in poly, has exceptions.

It sounds like you have some concerns about Birch's behavior toward Aspen. How heavy are these concerns? Are you still willing to date Aspen, even if she continues in her marriage with Birch with everything as it now is, as long as she stops telling you about Birch, and as long as you don't have to be around Birch? or is Birch actually poisoning the relationship you have with Aspen?

Hopefully we can continue to help.
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