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shespark

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Hi,
I am new to the open relationship...
I met a man and he is married. Him and his wife have a open relationship. They just started a new rule "no secrets". Ive been dating him for 2 months now. We get together once a week because of our schedules. My schedule will be changing soon then we can see each other more. Which we do want see each other more because once a week isn't enough.
Im not allowed at his house yet because his wife doesn't want to meet me yet. She has jealousy issues. She was dating a guy but he found a permanent gf. We had planned to go out last night which we did but, he told me that his wife didn't have anything to do and was upset he was going out with me and he asked her if she wanted him to cancel plans with me. And she told him no. Which upset me that he asked her. Its not fair to me. I didn't say anything other than well you want to go home? He said no. Im new to the open relationship. Id like to meet her. So last night we were looking at pics on his phone and he showed me her naked pics and I don't know if that was breaking the rule...I didn't say anything after he showed me the pics but, I wondered what his attentions are. Him and his wife have had a live in once and have engaged in threesomes. Me on the other had just have been with 1 man for 28 yrs. So this is new to me. I do care about him a great deal but, I don't know how he feels about me.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Greetings shespark,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

It sounds like this man considers you to be rather second-place compared to his wife, he is willing to cancel his plans with you whenever she wants him to, for any or no reason. He also seems to have intentions for you to get turned on by his wife, so that the three of you can have (a) threesome/s. Added together, these things seem to indicate that he is unicorn hunting, and he wants you to be his unicorn. I know you don't want to leave him, but you have to figure out whether you want to have this type of role in his life. You can tell him you're not okay with it, but I don't know whether he'll take you seriously. To him you're just an object, a "hot bi babe," you will do whatever he wants. At least that's how I suspect he feels, based on your description so far.

I hope Polyamory.com can help you with your dilemma.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter"

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"No secrets" is a big red flag to me as it usually is code for "I'm going to tell my other partner about everything we do." I cannot possibly agree to this because I consider my sex life private between me at whichever partner I'm with.

Also, jealous partners are exhausting, especially if your man is giving you too many details about his wife's jealousy. This is usually called "being a sloppy hinge." You don't need to know all their problems, you're not his therapist, you're his girlfriend.

Seeing naked pics of the wife? For the love of god, why???? That's not normal dating behaviour. Would you now allow him to take naked pics of you and show his wife? No? Then make it very clear that you need privacy, or else their "no secrets" bullshit is going to really intrude on your dignity.
 
"She has jealousy issues. She was dating a guy" Issues... and we are impertinant to question that?
 
Evie,

The no secrets was put in place because I told him I need approval from her first before I agreed. So they talked and agreed. All he tells her is when we have a date and when he will be home. I think that is having honest and open communication with his wife. And, I respect that.
Our sex life is private and he does not discuss this with her. Although he has told me she has started to initiate more sex lately since knowing of me. Before that it had been long time since being with another woman 3 yrs.. I told him that her jealousy was exhausting. I have no clue why he will tell me that she has initiated more sex other than being open with me.
I did talk to him about the nude pics and I asked him if his intentions was for us to have a threesome and he said no 3some will come from him. I asked him again what his intentions were. He said no intentions. I asked him if he wanted his wife and I to hook up and he said idk.
Now they both have gps on their phone and I told him when we go out I don't agree with it. So he has been turning it off. Its her being jealous.
I told him if this is something you agreed to bring into your marriage then you need to work it out with her. Is this normal with some open relationships?




"No secrets" is a big red flag to me as it usually is code for "I'm going to tell my other partner about everything we do." I cannot possibly agree to this because I consider my sex life private between me at whichever partner I'm with.

Also, jealous partners are exhausting, especially if your man is giving you too many details about his wife's jealousy. This is usually called "being a sloppy hinge." You don't need to know all their problems, you're not his therapist, you're his girlfriend.

Seeing naked pics of the wife? For the love of god, why???? That's not normal dating behaviour. Would you now allow him to take naked pics of you and show his wife? No? Then make it very clear that you need privacy, or else their "no secrets" bullshit is going to really intrude on your dignity.
 
Thank You for your response.
I talked to him and told him that It seems that he considers me 2nd place if he is willing to cancel plans with me whenever she wants him to.
He said what are you trying to say? What do you want?
I told him I didn't want this type of roll in his life. His reply was "Oh". So I letting him think about it.
I am no ones 2nd place. Im not into woman.
I asked him what his intentions were by showing me the nude pics and he said no intentions. I asked him if he was initiating a 3some and he said no 3some will come from him.
I don't think he is unicorn hunting .
He told me I looked beautiful on our date Saturday night. :) So apparently he has feelings for me..




Greetings shespark,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

It sounds like this man considers you to be rather second-place compared to his wife, he is willing to cancel his plans with you whenever she wants him to, for any or no reason. He also seems to have intentions for you to get turned on by his wife, so that the three of you can have (a) threesome/s. Added together, these things seem to indicate that he is unicorn hunting, and he wants you to be his unicorn. I know you don't want to leave him, but you have to figure out whether you want to have this type of role in his life. You can tell him you're not okay with it, but I don't know whether he'll take you seriously. To him you're just an object, a "hot bi babe," you will do whatever he wants. At least that's how I suspect he feels, based on your description so far.

I hope Polyamory.com can help you with your dilemma.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter"

Notes:

There's a *lot* of good info in Golden Nuggets. Have a look!

Please read through the guidelines if you haven't already.

Note: You needn't read every reply to your posts, especially if someone posts in a disagreeable way. Given the size and scope of the site it's hard not to run into the occasional disagreeable person. Please contact the mods if you do (or if you see any spam), and you can block the person if you want.

If you have any questions about the board itself, please private-message a mod and they'll do their best to help.

Welcome aboard!
 
Evie,

The no secrets was put in place because I told him I need approval from her first before I agreed. So they talked and agreed. All he tells her is when we have a date and when he will be home. I think that is having honest and open communication with his wife. And, I respect that.

Yes, that's very fair.

Our sex life is private and he does not discuss this with her. Although he has told me she has started to initiate more sex lately since knowing of me. Before that it had been long time since being with another woman 3 yrs.. I told him that her jealousy was exhausting. I have no clue why he will tell me that she has initiated more sex other than being open with me.
I did talk to him about the nude pics and I asked him if his intentions was for us to have a threesome and he said no 3some will come from him. I asked him again what his intentions were. He said no intentions. I asked him if he wanted his wife and I to hook up and he said idk.
Now they both have gps on their phone and I told him when we go out I don't agree with it. So he has been turning it off. Its her being jealous.
I told him if this is something you agreed to bring into your marriage then you need to work it out with her. Is this normal with some open relationships?

I only know one couple who GPS track each other, and they aren't open. I'd not feel comfortable with it, especially if my partner was doing it specifically because I was on a date/seeing someone else. It's too controlling for me. I had an ex who used to check the ODO on my motorcycle when he got home from work every day to see if I'd been anywhere. It was an isolation technique (because the consequences if I had were hours of haranguing). In short, don't let her jealousy control your relationship. Sure, he's still learning how to be a good hinge, not a sloppy one, and it's good if you can help him with this by telling him what you don't need to know about, but if he doesn't show progress, then the effort might outweigh the benefits.
 
I think he probably does think of you as second place. An "open relationship" is one in which the couple agrees they may see other people on the side, but the couple relationship comes first.

Did he say what would have happened if she requested he not go out? Sometimes it's better to offer a choice than to draw a line in the sand and be confrontational.

I think showing you those pictures was in poor taste, whether he had permission or not. If he had permission then you were an unwilling participant in whatever they have going on. If he didn't have permission then that is a huge violation of trust. Either way, I think it's safe to assume he was at least putting out some soft feelers regarding a threesome. They did have a triad in the past. Maybe that is the only thing that would make her not be jealous.

I suggest proceeding with caution. Perhaps talk more about what sort of relationship dynamic you would be satisfied with. It sounds like you are more into being poly than they are.
 
Hi,

I am new to the open relationship.

Hi, welcome to the board!

I met a man, and he is married.

Are you married too?

He and his wife have an open relationship. They just started a new rule: "no secrets."

No secrets between her and him? That's a very vague "rule." Also, I'd be wary of a member of a couple imposing their newbie "rules" on me.

I've been dating him for 2 months now. We get together once a week because of our schedules. My schedule will be changing soon, then we can see each other more. We do want see each other more, because once a week isn't enough.

I'm not allowed at his house yet, because his wife doesn't want to meet me yet. She has jealousy issues.

She doesn't have to meet you if she doesn't want to. Many poly people do not want to meet their metamours, much less hang out with them. All that you need is to be socially polite and respectful if you do happen to meet at the door or something. Some people think metamours meeting can decrease jealousy. Sometimes this helps a little, but it's not a guarantee. Lack of jealousy comes from trusting your partner, and inner confidence.

She was dating a guy, but he found a permanent gf.

We had planned to go out last night. We did, but he told me that his wife didn't have anything to do, and was upset he was going out with me. He asked her if she wanted him to cancel plans with me, and she told him no.

It upset me that he asked her. It's not fair to me. I didn't say anything, other than, Well, do you want to go home? He said no.

He didn't need to tell you all that. He's making a lot of mistakes. Don't believe that he is good at poly just because he and his wife had a live-in unicorn for a while. They may be too entangled and not good with personal boundaries. They may not accord enough respect to their "secondaries."

I'm new to the open relationship. I'd like to meet her.

As with any person, you can request that, but she can refuse, if she's not ready.

So, last night we were looking at pics on his phone, and he showed me her naked pics. I don't know if that was breaking "the rule."

Whether he broke his own rule is none of your business. What matters is your own sense of decency and privacy, and his apparent lack of respect for his wife's privacy. Even if he did want to make a threesome happen, he shouldn't be offending you and violating her privacy in that way.

I could only excuse it if he was scrolling through many pix and they popped up. In that case, he should have quickly closed it all down and reconsidered just showing you every pic on his phone!

I didn't say anything after he showed me the pics, but I wondered what his attentions are. He and his wife have had a live-in gf once, and have engaged in threesomes. I, on the other hand, have just been with 1 man for 28 yrs, so this is new to me.

I do care about him a great deal, but I don't know how he feels about me.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

The "no secrets" was put in place because I told him I need approval from her first, before I agreed. So they talked and agreed.

So, their new vague "rule," "no secrets" was put in place because YOU wanted to make sure this guy was really in an open relationship and not a cheater? That's kind of strange.

All he tells her is when we have a date and when he will be home. I think that is having honest and open communication with his wife, and I respect that.

Our sex life is private. He does not discuss that with her...

I hope not!

... although he has told me she has started to initiate more sex lately, since knowing of me.

He is telling you about their sex life, but supposedly not telling her about yours... Hmmm...

Before that, it had been a long time since being with another woman: 3 yrs.

I told him that her jealousy was exhausting.

I have no clue why he would tell me that she has initiated more sex, other than being open with me.

I did talk to him about the nude pics. I asked him if his intention was for us to have a threesome. He said no threesome will come from him. I asked him again what his intentions were. He said, no intentions. I asked him if he wanted his wife and me to hook up, and he said, idk.

And then did you tell him what your intentions were? To have a bf, and not be a shared sex toy for a husband and wife?

They both have GPS on their phone, and I told him when we go out, I don't agree with it. So he has been turning it off. It's her being jealous. I told him, if this is something you agreed to bring into your marriage, then you need to work it out with her.

Is this normal with some open relationships?

Nobody's perfect. Many couples new to polyamory, who started by trying to share a unicorn, will struggle with the independence inherent in usual poly practices. It's up to you whether you like him enough to be part of his learning curve. I've been burned a few times by newbie couples. It can be quite hurtful. You're a newbie too, though, so many you're all learning together.

I told him that it seems that he considers me 2nd place, if he is willing to cancel plans with me whenever she wants him to.

He said, What are you trying to say? What do you want?

I told him I didn't want this type of role in his life. His reply was, "Oh." So I am letting him think about it.

I am no one's 2nd place.

I'm not into women.

I don't think he is unicorn hunting.

He told me I looked beautiful on our date Saturday night. :) So apparently he has feelings for me.

Well, a man can tell a woman she looks good just to get into her pants. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. Do you like him? That's what's important here. Is he worth the bother?

Honestly? I haven't seen much actual jealousy behavior on the wife's part described here. I think they are couple-centric. If she doesn't want him to ever date a woman unless she's got a date set up for herself on the same day, same time, good luck with that! It's very rare that both members of an established couple will always be able to coordinate their dates with their OSOs. Poly people need to cultivate hobbies, platonic friends, and other interests to keep busy when their partner has a date with someone else.
 
Evie, Thank you for your input. Question, I was told that if were to go out to eat or on a date we have to go out of town to avoid us running into family/friends that do not know of their open/poly relationship. Is this normal? Thanks for you input. :) btw..this something his wife requested (he said).




Yes, that's very fair.



I only know one couple who GPS track each other, and they aren't open. I'd not feel comfortable with it, especially if my partner was doing it specifically because I was on a date/seeing someone else. It's too controlling for me. I had an ex who used to check the ODO on my motorcycle when he got home from work every day to see if I'd been anywhere. It was an isolation technique (because the consequences if I had were hours of haranguing). In short, don't let her jealousy control your relationship. Sure, he's still learning how to be a good hinge, not a sloppy one, and it's good if you can help him with this by telling him what you don't need to know about, but if he doesn't show progress, then the effort might outweigh the benefits.
 
I only know one couple who GPS track each other, and they aren't open. I'd not feel comfortable with it, especially if my partner was doing it specifically because I was on a date/seeing someone else. It's too controlling for me.

Eh, if you count online friends as knowing people, you know more than that. :D Knight and I have the "find my friends" function on our phones turned on for each other, mostly for logistical convenience (he drives a LOT for work and it's waaaay easier for me to glance at that to see when to start dinner than to text/call him while driving. Or I could see whether he had left my meta's place yet before she moved in if I was expecting him to be home to take kiddo to school or whether I needed to get up, that kind of thing). I totally see how in a more jealousy-based scenario (honestly, a scenario like the OP describes) it'd be uncomfortable, but I have to admit I'd roll my eyes if a future meta asked him to turn it off while on dates because I just Do Not Care where they go and I'm not looking at it for that.
 
Evie, Thank you for your input. Question, I was told that if were to go out to eat or on a date we have to go out of town to avoid us running into family/friends that do not know of their open/poly relationship. Is this normal? Thanks for you input. :) btw..this something his wife requested (he said).

It's not unusual for people who are trying to stay closeted, but it's not a scenario that I'd put up with as a partner. I'm not saying everyone has to be out of the closet, I'm just not going to deal with people who aren't.
 
Evie, Thank you for your input. Question, I was told that if were to go out to eat or on a date we have to go out of town to avoid us running into family/friends that do not know of their open/poly relationship. Is this normal? Thanks for you input. :) btw..this something his wife requested (he said).

My husband and I aren't out to his conservative family, some of whom live in our 5000 population town, so we don't have obviously romantic dates in our town, but it's a small place. If we lived in a city, I wouldn't have the same agreement. Also, as poly is more and more normal for us, we have opened up to friends and made a lot of new friends in the poly community so we hang out with people who we can be obviously with other people around. So, this may resolve in time, or may not. It's normal for the original couple to have some concerns around outing themselves to family/friends but in our experience, those boundaries have relaxed over time to some extent. You'll probably just have to wait and see what happens.

How big is the place you live?
 
about 109,605 ppl lol



My husband and I aren't out to his conservative family, some of whom live in our 5000 population town, so we don't have obviously romantic dates in our town, but it's a small place. If we lived in a city, I wouldn't have the same agreement. Also, as poly is more and more normal for us, we have opened up to friends and made a lot of new friends in the poly community so we hang out with people who we can be obviously with other people around. So, this may resolve in time, or may not. It's normal for the original couple to have some concerns around outing themselves to family/friends but in our experience, those boundaries have relaxed over time to some extent. You'll probably just have to wait and see what happens.

How big is the place you live?
 
It sounds to me like a very couple-centric situation and I suspect he is fishing for a threesome.

Reading your posts reminds me very much of my own situation. I was promised that my BF and his wife did poly GREAT. He insisted the problems I read about here on the forum were all schleps who couldn't do poly right--unlike him and his wife. He promised me that we could have a relationship just like any other apart from not being able to get married. He would have stayed with me forever and I believe he loved me.

That didn't change the fact that his marriage, and therefore his wife, would ultimately always come first. She did start 'acting out' and playing games, I think both because she realized I wasn't coming home to have a threesome with her and because she realized he was actually in love this time. He refused to admit the obvious facts of what she was doing and I realized she'd issued a rule, which he refused to admit to me, that I was no longer welcome in her home.

I think in a couple committed to remaining married, the outside partners are, by definition going to come in #2. How could they not?

If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have stayed with him as long as I did, no matter how much he loved me. He wasn't capable of a 'real' relationship with me because he was married. She was always going to take priority if for no other reason than he didn't want his family to find out how they'd been living, which would have come out if they ended up divorcing.
 
100,000 people is big enough that I wouldn't say leaving is necessary. Perhaps restrictions on PDA would be the farthest I'd go.
 
Evie, Thank you for your input. Question, I was told that if were to go out to eat or on a date we have to go out of town to avoid us running into family/friends that do not know of their open/poly relationship. Is this normal? Thanks for you input. :) btw..this something his wife requested (he said).

I live in the sticks outside of a small town (Pop. 828) outside of a small city (13,691) outside of a larger city (302,407). I am not publically "out" due to employment - but, most people who would recognize me wouldn't recognize my husband or boyfriend or another male friend, so I don't really worry about it much. I do like it when we all travel and I can walk arm-in-arm with BOTH of my boys without fear of being recognized.
 
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