Now I have to choose between my life partner and polyamory

latebloomer

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It feels like an impossible situation.

My partner and I have been together almost 10 years, married for 5. No children. We were non-monogamous for about 16 months and it was the most alive and happy I've ever felt. My wife also seemed to enjoy it. She hit the ground running, exploring BDSM and other kinks that she had always been curious about, and seemed to have no problem dating multiple people (men and women) and hitting sex parties, while I was still at home in the "scrolling and liking" phase. I was surprised how quickly she embraced it and how much she supported me trying keep up with her. Eventually I had a few partners too, and we were both in a groove. It was magical.

Despite all the sex we were having with new and interesting people, we somehow managed to have more sex with each other than we had been having previously. Being with other people also reminded us about the things we had lost in the routine of monogamy, like long make-out sessions. To be honest, I had totally forgotten how fun those were until I started having them again with new partners. We were learning new things about ourselves that were spicing up our life and we probably spent more time talking and checking in with each other than we ever have before. I really thought we had reached new levels in our relationship.

Then, about 8 months into our CNM journey, my wife got into a bit of seasonal depression, there was genocide happening which we were protesting regularly, and her work as a human rights attorney was starting to become emotionally draining. Her capacity to regulate her nervous system while I was on dates started to diminish, and I found myself having to text and call her more frequently when I was out. Given how enthusiastic she was at the beginning, I was probably too slow in recognizing her growing discomfort. I was just getting my footing and feeling good! Not being on the same page in terms of pace and enthusiasm led to some regular arguments, and she eventually asked for a break after searching through my phone and seeing how much I was texting my partners and how cute and flirty we were being. She knew I was doing it, and sometimes I would read her things I thought were cute or flattering, but seeing the volume of it for herself just triggered something in her and she needed to take a step back.

The break lasted about 3 months. We kept in touch with our partners during that time and we even hooked up with some couples that we had already been talking to before pausing our Feeld accounts - but no solo play during the break. She needed time to reset her nervous system. I was disappointed, but I knew this was a marathon, not a sprint. We had a whirlwind summer and probably got in a little over heads, which is easy to do in NYC because there is a such huge ENM community and so many beautiful and amazing people and events.

About 3 months after opening things back up, I matched with somebody who I really liked, who really liked me. We were sweethearts. Unlike my previous connections, which were fun FWB situations, this new connection had the potential to be more. After the first few weeks, when it became obvious how strong our chemistry was, my wife started putting limits on our texting and dating. She wanted to limit dates to every other week and limit texting to only what was necessary to plan dates, no daily checking in and and nothing cute, flirty or affectionate. It was clear that her nervous system was still triggered, so I tried my best to comply, even though her requests totally went against my nature and how I enjoy connecting with people.

After about 2 months of this, my wife asked me to cut this person off totally. No contact. Unfollow on Instagram. Block. Delete. She wanted me to do it without warning and I had to fight for "permission" to have an after-work "date" so I could break the news to her in person as gently as possible. My new partner cried and said she knew it was too good to be true. I felt terrible. It was a truly horrible thing to be forced to do. I've never enjoyed breaking up with people, but at least it was always my choice. This was not my choice, which made it even worse and made me resent my wife, if I'm being honest. She didn't mind me keeping my FWBs, as long as the benefits were not happening, so it was really only no-contact with this one partner - the one I had the most chemistry with (and also the only one she hadn't met yet).

That was 4 months ago, and through many discussions and lots of therapy, we've both come to the conclusion that we will never be able to have an open marriage again. My wife will only accept a monogamous relationship with occasional solo one-offs and group play. She likes monogamish. No dating. No poly. That's her boundary. If I insist on being open to dating and deeper connections, she will not be able to stay in the relationship. She couldn't be more clear about this.

Unfortunately, I learned something about myself during this last year that will be very difficult to walk away from. Everything about CNM resonates with me. I feel like this is how I should have been living my life all along, but never had the opportunity to do so. My development as a fully-functioning sex-positive adult was already stunted from being raised in a struct religious cult, getting married at 21 as a virgin, and staying in that toxic situation for 20 years before walking away from the church and all of my friends and family. I felt cheated for staying in that cult until I was 40, and now I feel cheated for only discovering polyamory shortly after I turned 50. Now I feel like time is running out for me to freely embrace this new way of building and sustaining connections with people. As amazing as my wife is, I just don't think I can be happy returning to monogamy. And I say that knowing that I might not ever find a partner as amazing her.

So now I have a choice that I have to make. I can't avoid it. I either walk away from non-monogamy, and forget about all the work I've done over the last year to unlearn toxic monogamy conditioning - OR - I continue this journey without my partner of 10 years.

The fact that I'm even taking a few months to consider this is very hurtful to my wife. She thinks non-monogamy has ruined our marriage, but I keep reminding her how beautiful it was and that the problems only started when she insisted that we abruptly return to monogamy and cut off the partners who had invested time and energy into us. She thinks choosing the pre-existing marriage should be the clear and obvious choice (which is ironic, since I was still married to my first wife when I met her). As a recovering people-pleaser conditioned by 50 years of toxic monogamy, assuming that I will just comply with her ultimatum is reasonable, since that's what I've always done. But I've recently become more comfortable advocating for myself and making my needs known, setting boundaries, and not putting the burden of all of my needs onto one person - and being transparent and realistic about my capacity to meet the needs of others, rather than trying to be everything to everybody, which is what I've always done with my partners before learning about polyamory. This personal growth was only possible because of my polyamorous community, book club, and therapists who understand non-traditional relationship structures. It would be so hard to go backwards knowing what I now know.

I'm not asking for advice on what to do. I know this is something I need to figure out. But I would like to hear from anybody who is or has been in a similar situation and what sort of things they had to consider when making this choice - and how it turned out! I'm looking forward to hearing from folks. Thanks for listening!
 
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Hey, Latebloomer. Welcome to the forum.

I have a couple quick questions:

Whose idea was it or what brought about the idea to open your marriage?

How much research have each of you done?

Was there an agreed-upon structure prior to the official launch date?

OK, lots of therapy and discussions later, you’ve come to the conclusion that open marriage is NOW off the table. What changed? You were having chemistry with a partner and not just sitting home struggling to find someone to click with?

The one thing I’d to say to your situation is, life is too short to settle.
 
Hey, Latebloomer. Welcome to the forum.

I have a couple quick questions. Whose idea was it, or what brought about the idea to open your marriage?

Hi! Thank you so much for responding.

My wife has always had the freedom to date women, so I guess it has always been open, to some degree. For my 50th we ended up having a threesome with one of her girlfriends and that's when I asked if we could open it up more, which meant I could date women and she could date men.

How much research have each of you done? Was there an agreed-upon structure prior to the official launch date?

Not much prior to. We learned a lot along the way as we slowly started building community, reading books, listening to podcasts and attending events.

We didn't really discuss structure before dating. My first connections were all just casual fun, whereas my wife had casual, but also one connection that was more of a relationship. They had several sleepovers, were talking about weekend trips, etc... but her partner caught the feels for her, which made her uncomfortable. She ended up breaking it off with him, even though I was open to whatever direction she wanted to go with that.

During the break, she asked that we currently remain exclusive with respect to romantic entanglements and to make that clear to potential partners in the future, ie., monogamish.

OK, lots of therapy and discussions later, you’ve come to the conclusion that open marriage is NOW off the table. What changed?

I've asked this question many times. Basically, she didn't like how upset I got when she closed it the second time and asked me to totally cut off my partner. She felt that I was putting the feelings of another woman above hers, and in order to feel secure she needed the power to pull the emergency break whenever she wanted. And I should be happy to return to monogamy on her whim. Any other response means I can't be trusted to put her first-- according to her.

Opening back up is off the table because I refuse to treat people as disposable. Tonight she reiterated that she would only consider being open again if I agreed to willingly close and break contact with partners whenever she asked for it, but that deal is not worth it to me. It's not just about sex for me. I like the energy of new relationships. I don't think what she wants is fair to other people. When I tell her that, it only reinforces her belief that she's not my priority.

You’re having chemistry with a partner and not just sitting home struggling to find someone to click with?

That's definitely how it felt to me after I gave her complete freedom. Even after we closed the second time, she asked me if she could hook up with a woman that she had a crush on. I said of course, because I know how much she wanted that and I wanted her to be happy. The lack of reciprocity is why I've concluded the relationship will never be able to open again.

The one thing I’d to say to your situation is, life is too short to settle.
That's how I feel. But I also love my wife and never intended to replace her. I just wanted to expand my capacity to give and receive love, not lose my best friend!
 
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Right. To be honest my relationship satisfaction is going down fast the more she tries to control me so this becoming less of a concern as time passes.
Lately the favorite saying around here is "polyamory is not about being okay with yourself having other partners, it's about being okay with your partner(s) having other partners." I probably didn't get it right word for word, but if you read around here, you will see people saying that where appropriate.
 
Tonight she reiterated that she would only consider being open again if I agreed to willingly close and break contact with partners whenever she asked for it, but that deal is not worth it to me. It's not just about sex for me. I like the energy of new relationships.
I'm going to play the perspective of your wife for a moment, because this doesn't make sense. It feels like you're essentially lying to her and maybe yourself too. See, if you like the energy of new relationships, then you should have no issue breaking off ones that are becoming established to seek that "new" energy.

When it comes to treating people like they see disposable, being upfront about your situation would pretty much cover that. Your wife has a veto and you generally end things before expectations outgrow her limitations. A lot of people will say no to that, sure, but if you're honest about it, it isn't unethical as such.

It's nice that you're thinking of your potential partners, who may want to have a long-term relationship with you, with room to grow, but have you actually considered what you can really offer as a married man?

I have had to choose between polyamory and a partner. I think to some extent, most of us have.
 
I'm going to play the perspective of your wife for a moment, because this doesn't make sense. It feels like you're essentially lying to her and maybe yourself too. See, if you like the energy of new relationships, then you should have no issue breaking off ones that are becoming established to seek that "new" energy.

Breaking off established relationships is one thing, but being forced to let go of a partner just as the NRE is taking off is very painful. I understand that different partners can move in and out of your life as needs change and desire fades, but that should be organic and not dictated externally. My wife is so worried about anybody getting feelings, possibly as a result of the bad experience she had with the partner who got feelings for her, that she wants to monitor texting, restrict dates with the same person to 2 times/month, no sleepovers, no affection, no emotional connection, etc. Great, but that's just not how I relate to people. It feels too transactional for me. If that's all CNM were to me, there are plenty of sex parties in NYC that I could attend.

When it comes to treating people like they see disposable, being upfront about your situation would pretty much cover that. Your wife has a veto and you generally end things before expectations outgrow her limitations. A lot of people will say no to that, sure, but if you're honest about it, it isn't unethical as such.

I have considered this. The partners I had before the first closure were all really cool about taking a break, and it helped that they could still be in the friend zone. I was even able to have platonic hangs with the ones that I really liked. And that was without being very specific up front, because neither of us imagined having to suddenly close like that. That being said, I have considered a "monogamish" situation, combined with being very transparent with prospective partners about my capacity, commitment and availability, but based on how things ended up the last time, having to go completely no contact with somebody I really enjoyed after 6 weeks, I know how it would make me feel, and I'm not sure I want to go through that again.

It's nice that you're thinking of your potential partners who may want to have a long-term relationship with you, with room to grow, but have you actually considered what you can really offer as a married man?

I have had to choose between polyamory and a partner. I think to some extent, most of us have.

Thank you for sharing!
 
I'm going to play the perspective of your wife for a moment, because this doesn't make sense. It feels like you're essentially lying to her and maybe yourself too. See, if you like the energy of new relationships, then you should have no issue breaking off ones that are becoming established to seek that "new" energy.

When it comes to treating people like they see disposable, being upfront about your situation would pretty much cover that. Your wife has a veto and you generally end things before expectations outgrow her limitations. A lot of people will say no to that, sure, but if you're honest about it, it isn't unethical as such.

It's nice that you're thinking of your potential partners who may want to have a long-term relationship with you, with room to grow, but have you actually considered what you can really offer as a married man?

I have had to choose between polyamory and a partner. I think to some extent, most of us have.

Really? I don't know anyone who would be okay being vetoed at any time by a meta. That sounds horrific. If you don't actually care about the person, no problem, because there are no strings. But as soon as you start developing feelings, then you get the axe? There's no winning in that situation; it's just constantly being set up for heartbreak.

Just because someone is married doesn't mean that they can't offer a great deal. It doesn't mean that someone has to be limited to side piece or FWB territory! I don't think it's realistic to expect polyamorous people to accept that. People just looking for open/casual? Maybe. But once your heart is involved, those boundaries that "sounded" reasonable now seem like a prison cell.
 
OP, do you think you could get your wife over here to give us her side of all this so SEASONEDpolyAgain doesn't have to waste time "playing your wife's perspective" and the rest of us don't have to waste our time arguing with her over what that *might* be?

 
OP, do you think you could get your wife over here to give us her side of all this so SEASONEDpolyAgain doesn't have to waste time "playing your wife's perspective" and the rest of us don't have to waste our time arguing with her over what that *might* be?


I understand that would be helpful, but it's not going to happen. I will offer this: since nobody here knows me and I actually do want real pushback where I might have a blind spot in how I'm seeing things. I'm only hurting myself if I'm not honest about her perspective. I've had enough conversation and therapy sessions with my wife to understand how she sees things. We're just not aligned on CNM structure and I have some difficult choices ahead.

I want: an open relationship structure that includes the possibility of emotional connection. I would rather she just be clear about what her needs are from me, and let me manage my time and partners to ensure she is getting her needs met.

She wants: a "monogamish" structure with occasional one-offs and "hall-passes." Ongoing partners limited to 2 dates per month, and I have to break contact any time she feels uncomfortable. She also wants me to not push back against her veto, because that makes her think I care about other people more than her.

She is very clear about under what circumstances she would allow the relationship to "open." I just don't like it.
 
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I can't imagine anyone agreeing to date a married man whose wife reads their texts, at least outside of a niche kink context.

Your wife doesn't want polyamory. You do. She isn't budging on that so you have to either give up outside partners, or give up your wife. It's a huge call, with a large dollop of sunk cost. But you get one life.

Edit: was typing as you were posting so I've been far more reductionist on your wants.
 
I can't imagine anyone agreeing to date a married man whose wife reads their texts, at least outside of a niche kink context.

One of my partners from last summer, who is now an amazing platonic friend and a CNM coach (we also go to a poly book club together), told me that my wife's needs make me a walking red flag in the poly community. She recommended to just attend sex parties, but I have zero interest in that.
 
You agreeing to those "needs" are the red flag.
 
You agreeing to those "needs" are the red flag.
Ouch! But also thank you. That is the correct perspective.

Interestingly, her demanding to read my texts and me refusing is what led to our first closure. She threatened to close if I did not give her my phone. I asked, "Are you fucking serious?" Then she upped the ante and said she would tell my mom and kids that I was fucking other people unless I handed over my phone. So I did. She read my texts and closed anyway.

I've been way too accommodating to her. This became clear after opening the marriage, as we did not do enough work to differentiate and walk back the enmeshment and codependency prior to opening. Now I'm paying the price. But it's also clear that having a healthy polyamorous relationship with her as my primary is not possible. She agrees.

Ball is in my court.
 
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She threatened to close if I did not give her my phone. I asked are you fucking serious? Then she upped the ante and said she would tell my mom and kids that I was fucking other people unless I handed over my phone so I did. She read my texts and closed anyway.
Wow, so you need like, a notarized statement from her along with a double-witnessed video testimony stating that she ever even agreed to the two of you having any kind of sex with other people ever, or she'll take you to the cleaners and blow up your entire life by telling everyone you were cheating. Good luck with that. You got your work cut out for sure. /reductionistview
 
Life is not a dress rehearsal. You only get the one.

You and your wife are no longer compatible.

She does not want polyamory. You do.

What else is there?

It's okay to be a grieving person right now. You do not have to rush anything. But I think you know what you need to do.

It's been a while since I had to make this kind of choice. But when I cannot have all the things I answer to my highest value. I take personal responsibility for my choices. Even if I later regret the choice or I make a mistake? I can live with it and be at peace because it was MY choice to make.

Galagirl
 
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Really? I don't know anyone who would be okay being vetoed at any time by a meta. That sounds horrific. If you don't actually care about the person no problem because there's no strings but as soon as you start developing feelings, then you get the axe? There's no winning in that situation; it's just constantly being set up for heartbreak.

Just because someone is married doesn't mean that they can't offer a great deal. It doesn't mean that someone has to be limited to side piece or FWB territory! I don't think it's realistic to expect polyamorous people to accept that. People just looking for open/casual? Maybe. But once your heart is involved, those boundaries that "sounded" reasonable now seem like a prison cell.
Lots of ENM people have relationships that play by those rules. Especially if they have them, themselves. The fact that a lot of other people will run a mile has nothing to do with the fact that disclosure mostly covers any ethical issues.

On your second point, and directly relevant to the OP, I think the deal anyone offers is relative to the person considering it. We've discussed this on the site in various ways over years but my view is that GENERALLY speaking, highly partnered people are a complicated match for single people and gender is a factor in this.
 
If that's all CNM was to me, there are plenty of sex parties in NYC that I could attend.
Okay so say that. Because when you also say "I like the energy of new relationships", it sounds like her monogamish suggestion would suit you fine. You want the possibility of having full intimacy and commitment with multiple people, like most of us here. You want to be able to establish relationships with more than one person, at once.

I'd be using words like that, not giving the impression that it's about "the chase", which it might be for her (and is perfectly valid and ethical too).
 
Okay so say that. Because when you also say "I like the energy of new relationships", it sounds like her monogamish suggestion would suit you fine. You want the possibility of having full intimacy and commitment with multiple people, like most of us here. You want to be able to establish relationships with more than one person, at once.

I'd be using words like that, not giving the impression that it's about "the chase", which it might be for her (and is perfectly valid and ethical too).
When OP said he "likes" the energy of new relationships, I read it as "I *like* the energy" as opposed to "I dislike the energy or don't want it", not "I find NRE thrilling" like an adrenaline junky. It didn't sound to me like it was about "the chase". For the wife it is about "the chase" though.

Personally, I think they should be totally open with no rules or restrictions except for the usual safer sex ones, etc. or totally closed and not even play with other people at sex parties (they can still go to them if they want and play only with each other).

But this won't solve the problem of the wife threatening to tell people that OP is fucking other people as if he's cheating and she isn't doing the same thing. That's just manipulative and evil, and it proves that she cannot be trusted.
 
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