Partner struggling.. I feel lost

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My partner and I have been married for 10 years and about a year ago was when we decided to be consensually non-monogamous. Within the past month I finally accepted that I have feelings for his best friend . My partner was supportive and encouraged me to tell his friend how he feels and see where things go. It has been amazing for me this far and polyamory feels so natural.

The issue is that my partner and I have had a lot of toxic things surrounding our sex life and I have some things I haven't dealt with from when I was a child. This is bringing all of this to the surface and my partner is dealing with alot of insecurities, jealousy, anger, the works. He seems to think that I don't want to work on our issues because I want to explore this other relationship. I want both, I know that working on our issues will make us better people and grow our relationship. I am starting to feel guilty and internalize his feelings as maybe I should step away from this other relationship. Thay is not what I truly want. For the first time in my life I feel free to be me and even with these struggles I know I am where I should be. I just need help hashing this out, I have no one I can talk to about this, I do not know anyone who is polyamorous and the few friends that know don't seem to understand. I love my partner and don't want him hurting. I feel lost. Any advise or help is much appreciated.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum,


Just to get some background and clarity how or why did you decide to open your marriage back a yr ago ??? Your post seems to suggest the reason for this was some sort of sexual disconnect is that the case. Is there one of you who was the driving force behind this change in your dynamic ??

How much dating did either of you do since the opening. You say you finally accepted you have feeling for his friend. It’s hard to know if this is a situation where you just finally started dating or found a suitable partner and rubber is now finally hit the road or that you floated into a possible situation of hitting a persons messy persons list. Best friends and family members usually get put on those lists.


Your situation sounds like kind of an onion to peel back and see what is the exact underlying issue if that makes sense.

When you discussed the new open marriage were you both clear on what that would look like or did you have different expectations?

I think one issue we see here over and over again is couples agreeing to open and poly all view things in terms of how their marriage use to operate with this vague overlay of some extra social scheduling. In MOST cases it’s way way more than that. In fact I’d say once you cross that threshold the old marriage is dead and a new one is being built. So back to your onion ....is he just starting to grasp the reality of his marriage ( the old marriage is gone ), etc etc.


Hope this helps a little.
 
I'm sorry you struggle.

It sounds like you want to continue with poly AND work through issues, but have no plan yet and feel overwhelmed by partner's emotions maybe?

As far as I can tell... these are the issues:

  • my partner and I have had a lot of toxic things surrounding our sex life. (This sounds like a shared job. Both you and him working on this.)
  • I have some things I haven't dealt with from when I was a child. (This sounds like a you job. You work on this.)
  • my partner is dealing with a lot of insecurities, jealousy, anger, the works. (This sounds like a partner job first. He works on this. And then a shared job -- how he expresses this to you and if he needs help with something specific.)

Was there some reason you guys didn't clear these two up before doing poly?
  • my partner and I have had a lot of toxic things surrounding our sex life.
  • I have some things I haven't dealt with from when I was a child.
This one sounds like a result of doing poly -- having to adjust and cope with the reality of it:
  • my partner is dealing with a lot of insecurities, jealousy, anger, the works.

I just need help hashing this out, I have no one I can talk to about this.

People here might be able to get your thought in order a little but the one to hash it out with is you (with the childhood issues) and your partner.

What's partner's suggestions for tackling these things? What are yours? What line up? Are you guys willing to go to counseling to get help with them?

Clearly cannot do them all at once since you are already overwhelmed thinking about them all. Has to be one thing at time, while doing the stuff of "regular life." Like still dating your established partner and your new partner. Going to work, getting good sleep, hanging out with your friends, family, etc.

It cannot all be "processing issues" 24/7. You both need breaks.

My partner was supportive and encouraged me to tell his friend how he feels and see where things go. It has been amazing for me this far and polyamory feels so natural.

Ok. Sounds you all were willing to go there and now you are in some kind of poly "V" model.

I am starting to feel guilty and internalize his feelings as maybe I should step away from this other relationship.

I think you could work on stepping away from being so involved in your partner's feelings. That doesn't mean you do not care at all about him. It means you have to be ok with him learning to do his own emotional management. And being ok with him feeling hurt sometimes as he adjusts to change. That is how people grow. They go OUTSIDE their comfort zone. Otherwise they just stay in the old comfort zone.

Hopefully it is an acceptable level of comfortably uncomfortable and not way out UNCOMFORTABLE uncomfortable. Hopefully you aren't neglecting established partner while gushing your NRE lalas about the new partner.

Some of your growing pains might be learning to be ok with him feeling his things without you taking them on board for yourself. You said you feel guilty -- well, you have not committed a crime. He agreed to go on this journey with you. So presumably he was prepared to feel things on the journey. How is that you doing horrible things to him? :confused:

I love my partner and don't want him hurting. I feel lost. Any advise or help is much appreciated.

I can see you love him. I imagine you are not doing anything on purpose to hurt him. However this is a big change for both of you.

What's he angry about? Jealous about? Insecure about? Is he able to articulate?
http://www.kathylabriola.com/articl...nster-managing-jealousy-in-open-relationships

http://practicalpolyamory.com/images/Jealousy_Updated_10-6-10.pdf

Anything poly hell going on?

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles/are-you-in-poly-hell

Is he used to having "dibs" on all your free time and struggling now that he doesn't? Having a having a hard time with disentanglement?

https://medium.com/@PolyamorySchool/the-most-skipped-step-when-opening-a-relationship-f1f67abbbd49

Is it something else?

Galagirl
 
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Hello Lurbpoly,

I believe it is possible to work on your issues with your partner, and explore the other relationship at the same time. You just need to take steps (toward working on your issues) that your partner can see. Are you doing anything right now that he can see? that he can put his finger on? Steps that he can visibly see will go a long way toward helping him with his insecure feelings. What about the idea of seeing a marriage counselor, can the two of you do that?

Your partner could also do some work on his own issues: his anger, his jealousy, his insecurities. Here are some links he could look at that may help:

Keep us posted on your situation, and we'll continue to try to help.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Background/clarification

First thank you all for responding and taking the time to try to help me with this. It is amazing to have support :)

The disconnect in our sex life has always been present but never really spoken about openly until we opened our marraige. Since being open we talk about everything and are getting better and better at working through the moments that trigger our past trauma.

This journey started when we watched a Ted Talk together about "monamish." We both loved this idea and almost immediately started playing around with it and our communication almost immediately became more open and we started connecting even deeper. I've always connected with bisexuality and the idea of loving openly and without restriction. He brought it up while we were out on a date about this time last year. It was a shock for me because I wanted to bring it up but thought he wouldn't like the idea.

Since then, neither is us had dated anyone, until now. We had a few fun experiences with sex around other people and an almost threesome. A few months after making the decision I expressed my feelings about his friend to my partner. He was supportive but I was still hesitant. I have only ever had sex with my partner and have little experience with "putting myself out there," so I had trepidation. I was also in denial because I didn't want to have feelings for his friend because him and I were close and I didn't want to mess with that relationship or my partner's relationship with his friend.

A few weeks ago I finally just let myself feel what I felt and almost lost my mind because it felt so good and I just wanted to explore it. My partner encouraged me to do so and it has been amazing thus far. There is a dynamic I struggle with- his friend is getting more and more comfortable but he definitely has a fear of my partner not being okay with our relationship and it ruining all of our relationships.

Since posting, I realized how much I was internalizing his feelings and assuming he was asking me to change and be something I am not. We talked for a long time about it last night. We realized that we both want to work through our stuff and still explore other relationships. He admitted that his jealousy stems from feeling like I am going to leave him because he hasn't felt confident in himself lately. His anger comes from the years and years of our toxic relationship and being stuck in those patterns. When I am in a good place I'm able to communicate clearly and help us both disconnect from that past. This week, I have not been in a good place, thus I take his feelings as my responsibility and I also fell back into our old patterns. He is used to a certain dynamic with me and also assigned rules and reasons to why I do this or that and he is seeing that is not the case.

I think I did get caught up in the "lalalas" with the new relationship and had a few times where I wasn't fully present with my partner. I will be more aware of that going forward.

He set up his first date tonight and I'm excited for him but for me as well to see what, if anything pops up for me.
 
The disconnect in our sex life has always been present but never really spoken about openly until we opened our marraige. Since being open we talk about everything and are getting better and better at working through the moments that trigger our past trauma.

I’m slightly confused. To me this sounds like no the sexual disconnect was there from day one and yes the sexual discount was the main reason for opening up and now as a result things are better.


This journey started when we watched a Ted Talk together about "monamish." We both loved this idea and almost immediately started playing around with it and our communication almost immediately became more open and we started connecting even deeper. I've always connected with bisexuality and the idea of loving openly and without restriction. He brought it up while we were out on a date about this time last year. It was a shock for me because I wanted to bring it up but thought he wouldn't like the idea.

So whatever this sexual disconnect is it’s your collective belief that it’s specific to the 2 of you ??? He’s not going to have this problem with other partners and you won’t either ???


A few weeks ago I finally just let myself feel what I felt and almost lost my mind because it felt so good and I just wanted to explore it. My partner encouraged me to do so and it has been amazing thus far. There is a dynamic I struggle with- his friend is getting more and more comfortable but he definitely has a fear of my partner not being okay with our relationship and it ruining all of our relationships.

A small taste of NRE ....good for you. :D:D

“ His “ friend is becoming more comfortable ....does that mean with the idea or with the actual dating and when will we be able to call him your BF ?:D


Since posting, I realized how much I was internalizing his feelings and assuming he was asking me to change and be something I am not.

What was you thought he was asking you to change into ?


We talked for a long time about it last night. We realized that we both want to work through our stuff and still explore other relationships. He admitted that his jealousy stems from feeling like I am going to leave him because he hasn't felt confident in himself lately. His anger comes from the years and years of our toxic relationship and being stuck in those patterns.


I have to agree that confidence in life and or in your love life does quell jealous thoughts because you’re its not all or nothing, do or die. Life goes on and sometimes way way better than before.


He set up his first date tonight and I'm excited for him but for me as well to see what, if anything pops up for me.


How did each of your evenings go ??:D
 
Glad you guys talked more.

He admitted that his jealousy stems from feeling like I am going to leave him because he hasn't felt confident in himself lately.

Is he able to ask for reassurrance appropriately?

His anger comes from the years and years of our toxic relationship and being stuck in those patterns. When I am in a good place I'm able to communicate clearly and help us both disconnect from that past. This week, I have not been in a good place, thus I take his feelings as my responsibility and I also fell back into our old patterns. He is used to a certain dynamic with me and also assigned rules and reasons to why I do this or that and he is seeing that is not the case.
I don't quite understand that part. Are you saying he's used to you being a certain way and you doing most of the communication work? And when you don't do it get he gets mad...

  • at you cuz you aren't doing the communication work any more?
  • at himself because he can't do the communication himself?
  • at you because he relies on you to play the "new record" pattern and if you don't then you both fall into the "old broken record" pattern?
  • Something else?:confused:

I think I did get caught up in the "lalalas" with the new relationship and had a few times where I wasn't fully present with my partner. I will be more aware of that going forward.

Good. It's fine to enjoy the new relationship energy, but don't forget to maintain you established relationships along side. Taking it for granted can cause problems.


He set up his first date tonight and I'm excited for him but for me as well to see what, if anything pops up for me.

How did it go? And keep in mind you are different people, so each of you will respond, react, and adjust differently during this transition space.

It's ok for it to feel weird. The "old normal" is gone, the "new normal" isn't quite here yet... so it can feel like a weird space for a while.

Galagirl
 
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I don't think either of us truly realized how big the sexual disconnect was until we openly started to talk about sex and what we wanted. This was reached after we opened our marraige up.

I guess I never realized that we both believe our disconnect is specific to the two of us. I don't seem to struggle with some of the same things when I am with my new person. This is something I need to dive deeper into, apparently.

We haven't quite labeled our relationship yet, me and my new person, but he is more and more comfortable with the idea of being with me. He seems struggles off and on with the belief that my partner will hate him at the end of this. Despite this, he is fully present with me when we are together and I am really enjoying getting to know him more and more. We haven't been on an actual "date" we tend to just hang out, cuddle, play, etc. :D

My partner is very sexual in the sense that he is always in the mood and I tend to be more emotionally sensually sexual, if that makes sense. I flutter back and forth between that and occasionally being insatiable. He relishes I. Those moments and up until recently took my needing more time or not being in the mood as something against him or me not being attracted to him. This is the vicious toxic cycle that has been present our entire relationship and was the cause of 90% of our fights. So, now I tend to remember that almost immediately whe. He touches me and I'm working through it bu communicating that with him in the moment instead of shutting down and internalizing the guilt of not being what he wanted. Lately I've been hearing his frustration with this as him wanting me to be more sexual like him.

His date went very well. He had sex with his date and was very excited about it. I am excited for him, but I am struggling a bit with something I am having a hard time putting into word so I hope you can help me pinpoint it. I have struggled with insecurity all of my life until about a year ago when I finally let that mess go. I have never been this confident in myself and love who I am. When my partner told me he had sex with someone else, I immediately felt a pang of... I dont know. The thought of him touching someone else felt wrong? Maybe? That is not the correct word.. I feel like it has to be that we were each other's only until now, so it is just an unfamiliar thing that I need to work through? I don't want to know details, is that wrong? That same night, my new person. And I had sex for the first time and my partner was elated for me and had no problem talking about it. The roles seemed to have reversed a bit lol I am nowhere near completely broken by it, it is just that I havent felt these types of feelings in a long time and I'm unsure what to do with them!
 
His anger comes from the years and years of our toxic relationship and being stuck in those patterns. When I am in a good place I'm able to communicate clearly and help us both disconnect from that past. This week, I have not been in a good place, thus I take his feelings as my responsibility and I also fell back into our old patterns. He is used to a certain dynamic with me and also assigned rules and reasons to why I do this or that and he is seeing that is not the case.

His anger likely predates your relationship. You two did not fall into this pattern out of nowhere, you each brought your well learned roles with you. That's why this feels so charged. What you're describing is a codependent relationship. The way you disconnect from the past is for each of you to do your internal work. You cannot disconnect him and he cannot disconnect you, even though in the moment it feels like you are able to help him do this with your words. The relief he fees is temporary, hence the codependence (heavy reliance on others to influence how we feel.) Long lasting change in deeply embedded codependent relationships is possible, but only when each partner is working on himself and not relying on the other to change.
 
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My partner is very sexual in the sense that he is always in the mood and I tend to be more emotionally sensually sexual, if that makes sense. I flutter back and forth between that and occasionally being insatiable. He relishes I. Those moments and up until recently took my needing more time or not being in the mood as something against him or me not being attracted to him.

Rather than you two just being different...

  • Like you are "80% emotional sensually sexual" and only 20% "always in the mood? " (Or whatever percentage you would assign it. )
  • Where he is 100% "always in the mood"

he chooses to take it PERSONALLY like he sucks or you aren't attracted to him or hold something against him?

This is the vicious toxic cycle that has been present our entire relationship and was the cause of 90% of our fights.

So... why are you guys together? Like... what things do you have in common that make being together worth it despite the fights?

Usually people I know experiencing anything vicious/toxic want to get away from it, not stick around for more.

So, now I tend to remember that almost immediately whe. He touches me and I'm working through it bu communicating that with him in the moment instead of shutting down and internalizing the guilt of not being what he wanted. Lately I've been hearing his frustration with this as him wanting me to be more sexual like him.

It is possible that you could work it out and still be together.

Or it is possible that working it out means accepting that you are sexually incompatible. And not be together any more so neither has to be dealing in a vicious toxic cycle. You just agree to get off that merry-go-round.

People can date. And those who are initially compatible? Might not be deeply compatible.

I have struggled with insecurity all of my life until about a year ago when I finally let that mess go. I have never been this confident in myself and love who I am.

Good for you.

When my partner told me he had sex with someone else, I immediately felt a pang of... I dont know. The thought of him touching someone else felt wrong? Maybe? That is not the correct word.. I feel like it has to be that we were each other's only until now, so it is just an unfamiliar thing that I need to work through?

It's normal to feel some sadness at the loss of exclusiveness. Even if you WANT to Open, there's going to be some sad pangs. Because the old thing is def. over. And the new thing isn't totally here yet. So you don't even know if all the changes was worth it or not yet. It's living out on a limb for a while.

I don't want to know details, is that wrong?

Not wrong. You don't HAVE to know the details. You might not consent to hearing any.

And that information is not only your partner's. The new lover may not want him blabbing their private details to you. Affirming sex happened and that safer sex practices were used is one thing. TMI details? That is another.

That same night, my new person. And I had sex for the first time and my partner was elated for me and had no problem talking about it.

And what did you talk about? Again... affirming sex happened and that safer sex practices were used is one thing. TMI details? That is another. Couples who have been used to sharing EVERYTHING with each other sometimes trip on that. Because now they DON'T share every little thing.

Your established partner might enjoy hearing about it for titillation or to get himself off... but this old model ended.

( You + established partner )

There's other people in the mix now. Does your new partner want you blabbing TMI details to your established partner? Does the new GF want established partner blabbing details to you? Even if they are good with it do you even want to hear it? Look at all the boundaries going on now. Cuz you are now in a relationship model that looks like this

{ New Bf + ( You } + [ established partner ) + their new GF ]

It is NOT only your information any more. It belongs to others too. And each dyad needs its own privacy.

The roles seemed to have reversed a bit lol I am nowhere near completely broken by it, it is just that I havent felt these types of feelings in a long time and I'm unsure what to do with them!

You experience the feelings of adjusting to him dating / sharing sex with new partners and ride it out. You don't HAVE to do anything about them. It's part of what you signed up for when you agreed to Open.

You do have to be mindful of consent and the new people in the network -- what info is ok to share and what is private to the dyad. Avoid being a sloppy hinge and oversharing data.

Things have changed here. Like throwing a rock in a still pond, there's going to be "ripples." Be ok with that during transition space.

Galagirl
 
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As per our Guidelines, it might help your thread if you could pick nicknames for your husband, new guy, and hubby's new woman.

I don't think either of us truly realized how big the sexual disconnect was until we openly started to talk about sex and what we wanted. This was reached after we opened our marriage up.

So hubby was your first and only sex partner. Were you his first partner? Do you both come from conservative (possibly religious) backgrounds? Were you married very young? Early 20's, and now you're in your early 30's? Any kids in the mix? Is hubby's friend single? Inexperienced?

It can be easier to DO sex than TALK ABOUT sex, especially in detail. I'm glad you're talking more now... I hope things go OK with

you+hubs
you+"his friend"
hubs+"his friend"
hubs+his new woman

That's a lot of moving parts to juggle after 10 years of sexual dysfunction with no prior dating or sex experience with others. It is quite right to fear a loss of any friendship at all with "hubby's friend," either between the men, or between you and "hubby's friend," if you and "friend" don't work out. Usually best friends are on the "no date" list, the "messy person" list, along with bosses, siblings, etc.

I guess I never realized that we both believe our disconnect is specific to the two of us. I don't seem to struggle with some of the same things when I am with my new person. This is something I need to dive deeper into, apparently.

You've only just started being somewhat sexual and intimate with new person. So your "sex issues" won't be cropping up for a few months... if things move along well. NRE is making everything wonderful. NRE doesn't last forever.

We haven't quite labeled our relationship yet, me and my new person, but he is more and more comfortable with the idea of being with me. He seems struggles off and on with the belief that my partner will hate him at the end of this.

Quite possible!

Despite this, he is fully present with me when we are together and I am really enjoying getting to know him more and more. We haven't been on an actual "date" we tend to just hang out, cuddle, play, etc. :D

Cuddle and "play?" What do you mean by play? Video games? ;)

My partner is very sexual in the sense that he is always in the mood and I tend to be more emotionally sensually sexual, if that makes sense. I flutter back and forth between that and occasionally being insatiable. He relishes those moments.

You know women's sex drives vary according to what time of the month it is, right? Does hubby know this? Women tend to be more horny during ovulation.

Up until recently took my needing more time or not being in the mood as something against him or me not being attracted to him. This is the vicious toxic cycle that has been present our entire relationship, and was the cause of 90% of our fights.

That's very sad, and a real issue with 2 gender sex. Men are always ready, women vary. It's nobody's fault.

So, now I tend to remember that almost immediately, when he touches me. I'm working through it, by communicating that with him in the moment, instead of shutting down and internalizing the guilt of not being what he wanted. Lately I've been hearing his frustration with this as him wanting me to be more sexual like him.

That's a beauty of polymory. If one partner isn't in the mood, one's other partner may be! Your hubby is allowed his feelings. And he can wish you were "more like him." But you taking on guilt or shame, or him harping on and on about your varying desire is pointless. Many partnerships can have each partner have a different degree of libido. That's not the end of the world. Compromises can be made. There are ways to deal with this without anger and heaping guilt on one partner or another. "You're cold!" "You're a sex addict!" "You're not a real man!" "You're a slut!" etc., etc.

His date went very well. He had sex with his date and was very excited about it.

I am excited for him, but I am struggling a bit with something I am having a hard time putting into words, so I hope you can help me pinpoint it. I have struggled with insecurity all of my life, until about a year ago when I finally let that mess go. I have never been this confident in myself, and love who I am.

When my partner told me he had sex with someone else, I immediately felt a pang of... I don't know. The thought of him touching someone else felt wrong? Maybe? That is not the correct word... I feel like it has to be that we were each other's only until now, so it is just an unfamiliar thing that I need to work through?

Yes, as GG said above, it's going to feel strange at first.

I don't want to know details, is that wrong?

No, not at all. In fact, hubby may want to share details, because he is in NRE lalas, but that doesn't mean you want to hear! And what about the new woman? Is she OK with him telling you details about her intimate moments? Good chance she isn't OK with that.

That same night, my new person and I had sex for the first time, and my partner was elated for me, and had no problem talking about it. The roles seemed to have reversed a bit lol I am nowhere near completely broken by it, it is just that I haven't felt these types of feelings in a long time, and I'm unsure what to do with them!

Be kind to yourself and others. Be respectful to all concerned. Realize you're in a rush of hormones... infatuation, NRE. These hormones do all kinds of things to our bodies and minds. Try to be aware of this and not get carried away. Same thing goes for hubby.
 
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