vinsanity0
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The Daily Wire is biased. Their data in that story is out of date. But yeah, I don't have enough faith in the people of this country to assume Hillary is going to win.
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Ravenscroft
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Well, yeah -- see, I was entirely certain that Al Gore would win 2000.
There's SOME people hereabouts of the bizarre (IMNSHO)opinion that such "cynical" views ain't to be tolerated. Me, I'm tending toward the PT Barnum principle:
but I will HAPPILY be proved wrong.
JaneQSmythe
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Hate politics. Usually vote 3rd party (libertarian). Count me in the "anybody but Trump" camp. Don't give two shits about Hillary BUT scared to vote 3rd party this election.
FallenAngelina
Well-known member
Donald Trump's nail in the coffin.
"The Washington Post on Friday published a recording of a 2005 off-camera conversation between Bush and Trump in which the real estate executive spoke in graphic terms about making sexual advances toward women, including one who was married. "When you're a star, they let you do it," Trump told Bush aboard a bus marked "Access Hollywood," the entertainment show Bush hosted before joining "Today" in May. "You can do anything. ... Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything."
"The Washington Post on Friday published a recording of a 2005 off-camera conversation between Bush and Trump in which the real estate executive spoke in graphic terms about making sexual advances toward women, including one who was married. "When you're a star, they let you do it," Trump told Bush aboard a bus marked "Access Hollywood," the entertainment show Bush hosted before joining "Today" in May. "You can do anything. ... Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything."
Spork
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I usually count myself as pretty thick skinned...hard to offend... I am a GWAR fan for chrissakes!! I like songs about dead babies, rape, necro-bestial-anal-butt-sex as a JOKE. They have been roasting every sacred cow they could get their hands on for 30 damn years, and I absolutely LOVE them...so it should not be easy to provoke outrage from me.
And I posted a political meme on FB and a friend in the GWAR fan community that I know supports Trump replied and I had to say, "DO NOT DO THIS" to him. And he was like, "Aw can't we have fun arguing it?" and I was like NO. There is nothing funny about the real situation in front of us. If it were not real, it would be hilarious. Hopefully one day we can laugh, you know, when we know that people are not going to die. But right now, this shit is too serious.
I made the point that Trump, it's not about feminism or misogyny. It goes WAY beyond that. The misogyny and rape culture stuff is just the surface of it. I know plenty of white guys who figure that feminist issues are "special interests" (not white guys problems) and therefore they need not care. What really matters, is that they get to keep their guns, according to them. Now there is an issue near and dear to their lily white hearts. Well. What they do not understand is that Trump's "grab them by the pussy" stuff is not about a man being crude about women, only.
WE ARE ALL PEASANTS TO HIM, AND HIS EGO IS FUCKING KING.
And I wish people would get this. He has a mentality that every other person on the planet exists only for his use. If you have a big name, he'll drop it. If he can take advantage of you and profit by it, he will. If he sees you are something or have something he wants, he figures it is his right, as "The Donald" to reach out and TAKE IT. (And we are about to give him the power and position to TAKE EVERYTHING??)
Everyone knows I don't love Hillary. I even think she is the poster child for a lot of things that are wrong with government. But I have survived this long with a government that has been pretty reliably corrupt, is the way I see it, and I could survive a Hillary presidency. She would do some shady shit, I bet, but we are not talking about "grab 'em by the pussy" level heinousness, with her. I honestly don't feel safe in an America that would elect Trump. Especially with how many people are saying, "He just says what we're all thinking." Really? You are thinking that a successful man has a right to just try and fuck any woman he likes the look of? I mean...really? You think that it's good business to not pay your taxes and to not pay workers who do work for you? When the men of America see what gets rewarded with the highest of high offices, are men just gonna go around grabbing women as they please? Who can tell them not to? And he's basically said that black people should randomly and relentlessly be harassed by police until their "hellhole" neighborhoods stop having so much crime.
The fact that so many Americans even seriously think any of this is ok makes me physically sick. And terrified.
I do not like Hillary but I cannot wait to vote for her.
And I posted a political meme on FB and a friend in the GWAR fan community that I know supports Trump replied and I had to say, "DO NOT DO THIS" to him. And he was like, "Aw can't we have fun arguing it?" and I was like NO. There is nothing funny about the real situation in front of us. If it were not real, it would be hilarious. Hopefully one day we can laugh, you know, when we know that people are not going to die. But right now, this shit is too serious.
I made the point that Trump, it's not about feminism or misogyny. It goes WAY beyond that. The misogyny and rape culture stuff is just the surface of it. I know plenty of white guys who figure that feminist issues are "special interests" (not white guys problems) and therefore they need not care. What really matters, is that they get to keep their guns, according to them. Now there is an issue near and dear to their lily white hearts. Well. What they do not understand is that Trump's "grab them by the pussy" stuff is not about a man being crude about women, only.
WE ARE ALL PEASANTS TO HIM, AND HIS EGO IS FUCKING KING.
And I wish people would get this. He has a mentality that every other person on the planet exists only for his use. If you have a big name, he'll drop it. If he can take advantage of you and profit by it, he will. If he sees you are something or have something he wants, he figures it is his right, as "The Donald" to reach out and TAKE IT. (And we are about to give him the power and position to TAKE EVERYTHING??)
Everyone knows I don't love Hillary. I even think she is the poster child for a lot of things that are wrong with government. But I have survived this long with a government that has been pretty reliably corrupt, is the way I see it, and I could survive a Hillary presidency. She would do some shady shit, I bet, but we are not talking about "grab 'em by the pussy" level heinousness, with her. I honestly don't feel safe in an America that would elect Trump. Especially with how many people are saying, "He just says what we're all thinking." Really? You are thinking that a successful man has a right to just try and fuck any woman he likes the look of? I mean...really? You think that it's good business to not pay your taxes and to not pay workers who do work for you? When the men of America see what gets rewarded with the highest of high offices, are men just gonna go around grabbing women as they please? Who can tell them not to? And he's basically said that black people should randomly and relentlessly be harassed by police until their "hellhole" neighborhoods stop having so much crime.
The fact that so many Americans even seriously think any of this is ok makes me physically sick. And terrified.
I do not like Hillary but I cannot wait to vote for her.
The guys and I were just discussing this, that Trump is not merely classist but just Trumpist. The closest he seems to come to caring about anyone is those he sees as extensions of himself.
Looks like I may have been wrong earlier about him being able to brush it off, top republicans evidently feel the sinking ship is not going to make it to shore but is close enough grab what they can and make a swim for it.
Leetah
Looks like I may have been wrong earlier about him being able to brush it off, top republicans evidently feel the sinking ship is not going to make it to shore but is close enough grab what they can and make a swim for it.
Leetah
Ravenscroft
Banned
I am dismayed at how many young white "women" not just reject feminism for themselves, but find anyone of that ilk to be despicable, morally corrupt, & pretty much evil. They're sorta saying "fuck you, I've got MINE, what's YOUR problem?"
Just plug anti-feminist women into your search engine of choice.
(Yet, being Rightists, they'll be the first to squeal about how the big mean LibRuhls refuse to magically "meet us halfway" or such claptrap.)
As with GWAR, it's hilarious to mess with the absurdity of it all... but people who take it at face value -- worse, decide to make it real -- turn the WHOLE thing creepy. I've been a fan of Landover Baptist Church for years... but found myself living in a culture that resoundingly reelected George W Bush, & were baffled that I found Landover to be funny.
The group Ladies Against Women has long been credited with undermining the crazed ravings of Phyllis Schlafly (may she toast in Hell) with their deft parody of anti-feminist screeching... but what does it mean when a SERIOUS group like Ladies Against Feminism (a.k.a. Beautiful Womanhood
) pops up?
Ravenscroft
Banned
Hmm. I was just flipping through the LAF site, & noted a recurring meme, to wit "feminism is obviously wrong, because it claims to speak for ALL women."
Yet somehow Trump's blatant narcissism is okey-dokey "because that's just how all men really think."
All I can figure is that the GOP in general is replete with people who've worked so hard at maintaining mutually contradictory beliefs & "keeping an open mind" that their brains are beginning to leak out, damn near literally.
As a former GOP supporter, I advise (with increasing bluntness) that voters choose whoever they wish... so long as that candidate HAS NOT been endorsed by the Republican Party or its teabagger extremists, & to carefully examine any Libertarian they're being swayed by, as that party has been deeply compromised by teabagger infiltration (not to mention Koch Brothers financing) & is often little more than a shill for Free Market ideology. In 2001, Grover Norquist said
Yet somehow Trump's blatant narcissism is okey-dokey "because that's just how all men really think."
All I can figure is that the GOP in general is replete with people who've worked so hard at maintaining mutually contradictory beliefs & "keeping an open mind" that their brains are beginning to leak out, damn near literally.
As a former GOP supporter, I advise (with increasing bluntness) that voters choose whoever they wish... so long as that candidate HAS NOT been endorsed by the Republican Party or its teabagger extremists, & to carefully examine any Libertarian they're being swayed by, as that party has been deeply compromised by teabagger infiltration (not to mention Koch Brothers financing) & is often little more than a shill for Free Market ideology. In 2001, Grover Norquist said
And THAT is the fate I wish for the GOP -- soon.
Spork
Active member
A word is just a word. I think that the ideas behind there, are more important than the word.
I avoid use of the word "feminism" and don't claim to be a feminist. I prefer to be considered a "humanist." Why? Because OF COURSE I do not hate men, nor do I think that the problems of women overshadow or invalidate the problems of men, nor do I think that men are terrible or women superior or anything of the sort. And many feminists know, that the message of feminism as they understand it or preach it, ain't that. But I don't have the time or interest to explain myself to every affronted person I encounter.
So instead I say "humanist." And if given a moment, go on to say that I have a philosophy I call HTS, or "Hey, that sucks." Meaning that when I encounter humans being shitty to other humans, I recognize the unfairness and offer a sympathetic human connection.
When I hear someone complaining about men, I can easily flip it around to where women can be as bad sometimes. Seriously we're all people. Most people are pretty decent, trying to get by. Most people are good and bad. People suck. Except when they (usually) don't. Most individuals I meet are generally nice, and don't actively want to oppress or harm others. Except, when sometimes they do. And sometimes they don't even realize it when they do. That's when we really should ought to have a talk.
I was saying today that I actually could have forgiven Trump's actual remarks, in the spirit of "it was a long time ago before he ever knew he might one day run for President" and "sometimes we all fuck up and say stupid things we regret." My problem actually now is that he does not seem to know what he even did wrong, or have any idea why it's an issue. The man who would be our PRESIDENT does not have the diplomatic sensitivity to understand how he has offended more than half of the population. His response... he only apologized for his language. Because "fondle them about the whoopsie-hoos" might have been somehow better, clearly. ?? And then the whole, "Heyyy...I'm just sayin' what ALL men say, like in the locker room, am I right? Come on guys, back me up over here..."
I love how like every athlete is now saying "Not in my locker room, buddy."
Also from now on, if asked any question, that I don't want to answer, I am just going to say, "ISIS."
Where do you want to go eat?
ISIS.
Do you know how fast you were going?
ISIS.
Did you get that report done?
ISIS.
It'll be great.
I avoid use of the word "feminism" and don't claim to be a feminist. I prefer to be considered a "humanist." Why? Because OF COURSE I do not hate men, nor do I think that the problems of women overshadow or invalidate the problems of men, nor do I think that men are terrible or women superior or anything of the sort. And many feminists know, that the message of feminism as they understand it or preach it, ain't that. But I don't have the time or interest to explain myself to every affronted person I encounter.
So instead I say "humanist." And if given a moment, go on to say that I have a philosophy I call HTS, or "Hey, that sucks." Meaning that when I encounter humans being shitty to other humans, I recognize the unfairness and offer a sympathetic human connection.
When I hear someone complaining about men, I can easily flip it around to where women can be as bad sometimes. Seriously we're all people. Most people are pretty decent, trying to get by. Most people are good and bad. People suck. Except when they (usually) don't. Most individuals I meet are generally nice, and don't actively want to oppress or harm others. Except, when sometimes they do. And sometimes they don't even realize it when they do. That's when we really should ought to have a talk.
I was saying today that I actually could have forgiven Trump's actual remarks, in the spirit of "it was a long time ago before he ever knew he might one day run for President" and "sometimes we all fuck up and say stupid things we regret." My problem actually now is that he does not seem to know what he even did wrong, or have any idea why it's an issue. The man who would be our PRESIDENT does not have the diplomatic sensitivity to understand how he has offended more than half of the population. His response... he only apologized for his language. Because "fondle them about the whoopsie-hoos" might have been somehow better, clearly. ?? And then the whole, "Heyyy...I'm just sayin' what ALL men say, like in the locker room, am I right? Come on guys, back me up over here..."
I love how like every athlete is now saying "Not in my locker room, buddy."
Also from now on, if asked any question, that I don't want to answer, I am just going to say, "ISIS."
Where do you want to go eat?
ISIS.
Do you know how fast you were going?
ISIS.
Did you get that report done?
ISIS.
It'll be great.
I am so sensitive to the narcissism angle of Trump, having been in a long term relationship with one. He did a good job pretending to be human to me (hell, he was a smart guy and Aspie, and had learned to pretend to have neuro-typical human emotions), for as long as it served his purposes. He wanted sex, he wanted an activities partner, he wanted entertainment and relief from the boredom and emptiness of his own company. He wanted attention and admiration (which to him, was love).
He even got my partner to love him for the laid back, "pagan," cool and sexy, artistic vibe he projected.
But I learned he was only play-acting when, after his NRE for me/us wore off, he chose to date a married MF couple new to poly. He enjoyed the drama of triangulating them against each other, and triangulating them against me, and even trying to triangulate me against my own dear partner.
He also did more and more oddly sexual things in public that were inappropriate and embarrassing to me. All unaware, or not caring, or maybe being turned on by, how those behaviors were being viewed by non-consenting adults and even children.
Narcissists are a lost cause. Most, if not all, of them feel they are wonderful people. They have absolutely no empathy. Some can pretend to have normal empathy and consciences. Trump is pretending to care about others... women, other ethnic groups who are legitimate members of our country and society, children, the handicapped. But as soon as they infringe on what he considers to come first, himself and his needs, he throws them under the bus, using words like law and order, safety, borders, make America great again.
He's always been a joke to me. His arrogance, his rudeness and disgusting crassness, his gold towers and golden throne-like chairs and toilets. I feel sad for anyone who admires him and wishes they had a life like he does.
Those 2 grown sons of his. They are being compared to the fictional protagonist of the book/movie American Psycho. If they inherited their dad's narcissism, either from biology or nurture, I really can see them cutting up women with chainsaws just for their own sick jaded pleasure. And yes, all 3 of them can get away with it because they are "rich," from having robbed from normal hard-working people and amassing dollars by playing the system, exploiting loopholes to not pay taxes, etc.
Orange Hitler, indeed.
Donald lives, as Hillary said, in his own world. Our world isn't real to him. He lies at the drop of a hat. He believes his own lies. He gets that delicious approbation from his fans, which pumps up his ego and make him feel so right and so big (despite his own small "hands"). But he will even turn on his own fans on a dime. Remember how he played that woman with the crying baby?
His party is withdrawing from him. Many many conservatives are almost as shocked and appalled by him as we liberals are! In some ways they might be even more appalled, as they should be. Trump has exposed the classist, misogynist underbelly of their party for the entire world to see. Ha! They should be embarrassed.
The only problem is, Hillary is made out by some political players to be corrupt because she has been playing the game of politics. She is not the first to use private servers and delete emails. The George W Bush administration "lost" 22 million private emails! It's nothing new. No one noticed.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html
Her choice is being used by the alt right to make her seem just as, or more "crooked" than Trump. What a joke. There is no comparison. She's no Bernie Sanders (who I voted for), but come on, millennials! Look at the alternative.
Trump uses small words and repeats catch phrases to lure and lull his fans. Short words you'd used with a toddler. "Bad," "great," "a great guy, I love him," "law and order," "wrong," "lock her up"-- it goes on and on.
Hillary's husband's choice to date other women is now being used by Trump to make him seem like just as much of an immoral creep/pig. It seems obvious to me, Bill and Hillary have a comfortable mono/poly relationship. It just seems immoral to the public, but we here know it can be quite an ethical choice. As someone said, every king ever has had mistresses! (Barack Obama probably excepted, but look at what a wonderful and gorgeous and fantastic wife he knows he is lucky enough to have! sigh... It is obvious he worships the ground she walks on.) Bill is, imo, handsome, charming, charismatic as hell, smart, funny, loving. I have read about his peccadillos and affairs and I see no evidence of rape. At worst, I see consenting women who may have said yes, but then changed their minds and said no, to sexual activities. Case closed. We've all been there.
So when I hear well meaning (but under educated and lacking judgment) women friends and acquaintances of mine say, "Trump's a pig, but Hillary is just as bad," "we are screwed," and they can't vote for either, I just have to sadly roll my eyes at their lack of perspective, and walk away before I take them by the shoulders and try to shake some sense into them.
He even got my partner to love him for the laid back, "pagan," cool and sexy, artistic vibe he projected.
But I learned he was only play-acting when, after his NRE for me/us wore off, he chose to date a married MF couple new to poly. He enjoyed the drama of triangulating them against each other, and triangulating them against me, and even trying to triangulate me against my own dear partner.
He also did more and more oddly sexual things in public that were inappropriate and embarrassing to me. All unaware, or not caring, or maybe being turned on by, how those behaviors were being viewed by non-consenting adults and even children.
Narcissists are a lost cause. Most, if not all, of them feel they are wonderful people. They have absolutely no empathy. Some can pretend to have normal empathy and consciences. Trump is pretending to care about others... women, other ethnic groups who are legitimate members of our country and society, children, the handicapped. But as soon as they infringe on what he considers to come first, himself and his needs, he throws them under the bus, using words like law and order, safety, borders, make America great again.
He's always been a joke to me. His arrogance, his rudeness and disgusting crassness, his gold towers and golden throne-like chairs and toilets. I feel sad for anyone who admires him and wishes they had a life like he does.
Those 2 grown sons of his. They are being compared to the fictional protagonist of the book/movie American Psycho. If they inherited their dad's narcissism, either from biology or nurture, I really can see them cutting up women with chainsaws just for their own sick jaded pleasure. And yes, all 3 of them can get away with it because they are "rich," from having robbed from normal hard-working people and amassing dollars by playing the system, exploiting loopholes to not pay taxes, etc.
Orange Hitler, indeed.
Donald lives, as Hillary said, in his own world. Our world isn't real to him. He lies at the drop of a hat. He believes his own lies. He gets that delicious approbation from his fans, which pumps up his ego and make him feel so right and so big (despite his own small "hands"). But he will even turn on his own fans on a dime. Remember how he played that woman with the crying baby?
His party is withdrawing from him. Many many conservatives are almost as shocked and appalled by him as we liberals are! In some ways they might be even more appalled, as they should be. Trump has exposed the classist, misogynist underbelly of their party for the entire world to see. Ha! They should be embarrassed.
The only problem is, Hillary is made out by some political players to be corrupt because she has been playing the game of politics. She is not the first to use private servers and delete emails. The George W Bush administration "lost" 22 million private emails! It's nothing new. No one noticed.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html
Her choice is being used by the alt right to make her seem just as, or more "crooked" than Trump. What a joke. There is no comparison. She's no Bernie Sanders (who I voted for), but come on, millennials! Look at the alternative.
Trump uses small words and repeats catch phrases to lure and lull his fans. Short words you'd used with a toddler. "Bad," "great," "a great guy, I love him," "law and order," "wrong," "lock her up"-- it goes on and on.
Hillary's husband's choice to date other women is now being used by Trump to make him seem like just as much of an immoral creep/pig. It seems obvious to me, Bill and Hillary have a comfortable mono/poly relationship. It just seems immoral to the public, but we here know it can be quite an ethical choice. As someone said, every king ever has had mistresses! (Barack Obama probably excepted, but look at what a wonderful and gorgeous and fantastic wife he knows he is lucky enough to have! sigh... It is obvious he worships the ground she walks on.) Bill is, imo, handsome, charming, charismatic as hell, smart, funny, loving. I have read about his peccadillos and affairs and I see no evidence of rape. At worst, I see consenting women who may have said yes, but then changed their minds and said no, to sexual activities. Case closed. We've all been there.
So when I hear well meaning (but under educated and lacking judgment) women friends and acquaintances of mine say, "Trump's a pig, but Hillary is just as bad," "we are screwed," and they can't vote for either, I just have to sadly roll my eyes at their lack of perspective, and walk away before I take them by the shoulders and try to shake some sense into them.
Spork
Active member
*nods*
Thing is, I never liked Hillary much, and I'm mostly still mad at her because I think that Bernie should have been the candidate, and I think she used some underhanded tactics to get the spot. It's mostly lingering bitterness and disappointment that Bernie isn't standing there, that has me unhappy with Hillary.
Do I think she did some shady stuff as a politician? Sure, probably. But I pretty firmly believe that most of them do, and she's not really worse than most.
And regarding Bill...this upsets me on more than one front.
1. She isn't his rib. She's her whole entire person. His actions aren't her actions.
2. There are laws protecting people from having to incriminate or accuse or condemn their spouse even if said spouse does a criminal thing. I am not convinced that Bill is a rapist. But even if he were...she is not obligated to hang him out to dry. Spousal privilege is a THING. I have a woman friend who is saying that if I hate Trump I should equally hate Hillary because she defended Bill when he did bad things and she protected him, discredited his accusers, etc.
SPOUSAL FUCKING PRIVILEGE. Grr. This girl has never been married. I have. She's never had children. I have. When your entire LIFE, including a high profile political career, your plans for your kids, your finances and property and affairs and everything are all mixed up with another human being, you do what you can to PROTECT that, because it's not only self defense, it's defending your young.
No one who is childless has ANY right telling me that because I'm disgusted with Trump, I should explode with equivalent outrage at every possible accusation or hint of wrongdoing against every woman ever...because as a Mom, your kids COME FIRST always. Period. Before your ethics, before your principles, before your pride. I'm tired of the pro Trump people and I'm tired of the anti Hillary people. The whole thing is infuriating.
I am not her biggest fan. I don't shill for her. I don't talk about how awesome she is, because I can't get past the fact that she really was not the choice I wanted here. But any wrongdoing she has done is NOWHERE near the horror that is Trump. Not even remotely close. If she'll keep him away from the nuke codes and keep him from being our diplomatic mouthpiece to the rest of the planet...seriously, I'd vote for a cheese sandwich if it would keep Trump out of office.
Thing is, I never liked Hillary much, and I'm mostly still mad at her because I think that Bernie should have been the candidate, and I think she used some underhanded tactics to get the spot. It's mostly lingering bitterness and disappointment that Bernie isn't standing there, that has me unhappy with Hillary.
Do I think she did some shady stuff as a politician? Sure, probably. But I pretty firmly believe that most of them do, and she's not really worse than most.
And regarding Bill...this upsets me on more than one front.
1. She isn't his rib. She's her whole entire person. His actions aren't her actions.
2. There are laws protecting people from having to incriminate or accuse or condemn their spouse even if said spouse does a criminal thing. I am not convinced that Bill is a rapist. But even if he were...she is not obligated to hang him out to dry. Spousal privilege is a THING. I have a woman friend who is saying that if I hate Trump I should equally hate Hillary because she defended Bill when he did bad things and she protected him, discredited his accusers, etc.
SPOUSAL FUCKING PRIVILEGE. Grr. This girl has never been married. I have. She's never had children. I have. When your entire LIFE, including a high profile political career, your plans for your kids, your finances and property and affairs and everything are all mixed up with another human being, you do what you can to PROTECT that, because it's not only self defense, it's defending your young.
No one who is childless has ANY right telling me that because I'm disgusted with Trump, I should explode with equivalent outrage at every possible accusation or hint of wrongdoing against every woman ever...because as a Mom, your kids COME FIRST always. Period. Before your ethics, before your principles, before your pride. I'm tired of the pro Trump people and I'm tired of the anti Hillary people. The whole thing is infuriating.
I am not her biggest fan. I don't shill for her. I don't talk about how awesome she is, because I can't get past the fact that she really was not the choice I wanted here. But any wrongdoing she has done is NOWHERE near the horror that is Trump. Not even remotely close. If she'll keep him away from the nuke codes and keep him from being our diplomatic mouthpiece to the rest of the planet...seriously, I'd vote for a cheese sandwich if it would keep Trump out of office.
Hey, cheese sandwiches are good! I'd rather vote for a cowpie than for Trump.
Seriously though, I never expected Trump to get this far. It's surreal that he has. I'm disappointed to realize that the United States has that many people who'd support him. What message does that send to the rest of the world?
I still think Trump will lose. But I'm not 100% confident about that.
I'd rather vote for a cowpie than for Trump.Seriously though, I never expected Trump to get this far. It's surreal that he has. I'm disappointed to realize that the United States has that many people who'd support him. What message does that send to the rest of the world?
I still think Trump will lose. But I'm not 100% confident about that.
InsaneMystic
Member
Reacting to graphs showing that if only women were voting, Hillary would win in a landslide...
...Trumpistas have now started the Twitter hashtag #RepealThe19th.
So, voting rights just for people equipped with a penis would be what makes America great again, huh? Unbelievable. This is bottom-of-the-barrel scummy... and here I was silly enough to believe that "grab them by the p***y" was the lowest possible mark, but no, the Trump Limbo continues.
*pukes*
...Trumpistas have now started the Twitter hashtag #RepealThe19th.
So, voting rights just for people equipped with a penis would be what makes America great again, huh? Unbelievable. This is bottom-of-the-barrel scummy... and here I was silly enough to believe that "grab them by the p***y" was the lowest possible mark, but no, the Trump Limbo continues.
*pukes*
Spork
Active member
So there is far more troubling news today than anything Trump could say or do. When people say, gravely, "America is screwed" they really have no idea...it has little to do with our presidential candidates.
In fact, yesterday and the day before when being outraged about Trump was my biggest news of the day, feels like a simpler time now.
So I saw some news articles...first one, then another, then another...from big news outlets, saying that Putin has ordered all Russian officials to fly home their family members who may be working or studying abroad. This was today.
Eight days ago, Putin ordered 40 million Russians to participate in a "civil defense drill" or practice evacuation.
I just listened to a speech he gave, saying that America is bullshitting the world basically, that we have developed all of these missile "defense" systems, which we claim are not pointed at this or that, we claim it is all about terrorism, but we are upsetting the balance of power in the world, because those defense systems could be rendered nuclear very easily, and silently, and we can take out other nations' capabilities with no warning, giving America complete security and the ability to do anything it wants to anyone. You know how we get worried about other nations having weapons of mass destruction, and increasing production and capabilities and such? The whole WORLD worries about us like that. And in my opinion...rightly so. America does love to wave its camouflaged dick around. Putin is giving speeches warning the world about us. And he is preparing his citizens for WWIII.
Also of note. There was an arms treaty that involved the "disposal" of 34 tons of weapons grade plutonium. Apparently it was supposed to have been made into fuel for power plants. Well, this is only a token thing, as both the US and Russia would still have plenty. It was...a political gesture, supposedly. Russia has signaled that they have every intention of still doing this. America however, weaseled out of it due to "glitches and cost overruns" at a plant, and now the plan was to store it at a nuclear waste site in New Mexico. Well Russia does not like than answer. So Putin officially withdrew from this treaty.
These things may be symbolic, but they are important to the narrative going on here, because it seems that Putin is telling the world, "Why didn't America stick to the deal?" You combine his talk about how bad it is that we're setting up these "defense" systems, which he argues are offensive in nature actually, and how easy it would be to render them nuclear, and now there's this plutonium that we are not disposing of per the agreement?
On top of the fact that our leaders "pulled the plug" on talks over Syria on 10/3.
I had not been following the details. Many people I know are more worried about whether refugees will come here than anything else. The America I know is pretty ignorant of all of this information. I just started piecing it together today. We are like this nation of silly memes, we think of Putin and we think of like funny pictures of him riding on a bear, or how much Trump seems to want his manly-bro approval or something. But really what's happening here is scary as hell, and I am not sure he's wrong about our own government's intentions. I have no idea. No one knows what they are up to really. Well. Clinton might. Trump doesn't. But the civilian population sure does not....of course that never matters when bombs start to fall.
Scary shit, people.
In fact, yesterday and the day before when being outraged about Trump was my biggest news of the day, feels like a simpler time now.
So I saw some news articles...first one, then another, then another...from big news outlets, saying that Putin has ordered all Russian officials to fly home their family members who may be working or studying abroad. This was today.
Eight days ago, Putin ordered 40 million Russians to participate in a "civil defense drill" or practice evacuation.
I just listened to a speech he gave, saying that America is bullshitting the world basically, that we have developed all of these missile "defense" systems, which we claim are not pointed at this or that, we claim it is all about terrorism, but we are upsetting the balance of power in the world, because those defense systems could be rendered nuclear very easily, and silently, and we can take out other nations' capabilities with no warning, giving America complete security and the ability to do anything it wants to anyone. You know how we get worried about other nations having weapons of mass destruction, and increasing production and capabilities and such? The whole WORLD worries about us like that. And in my opinion...rightly so. America does love to wave its camouflaged dick around. Putin is giving speeches warning the world about us. And he is preparing his citizens for WWIII.
Also of note. There was an arms treaty that involved the "disposal" of 34 tons of weapons grade plutonium. Apparently it was supposed to have been made into fuel for power plants. Well, this is only a token thing, as both the US and Russia would still have plenty. It was...a political gesture, supposedly. Russia has signaled that they have every intention of still doing this. America however, weaseled out of it due to "glitches and cost overruns" at a plant, and now the plan was to store it at a nuclear waste site in New Mexico. Well Russia does not like than answer. So Putin officially withdrew from this treaty.
These things may be symbolic, but they are important to the narrative going on here, because it seems that Putin is telling the world, "Why didn't America stick to the deal?" You combine his talk about how bad it is that we're setting up these "defense" systems, which he argues are offensive in nature actually, and how easy it would be to render them nuclear, and now there's this plutonium that we are not disposing of per the agreement?
On top of the fact that our leaders "pulled the plug" on talks over Syria on 10/3.
I had not been following the details. Many people I know are more worried about whether refugees will come here than anything else. The America I know is pretty ignorant of all of this information. I just started piecing it together today. We are like this nation of silly memes, we think of Putin and we think of like funny pictures of him riding on a bear, or how much Trump seems to want his manly-bro approval or something. But really what's happening here is scary as hell, and I am not sure he's wrong about our own government's intentions. I have no idea. No one knows what they are up to really. Well. Clinton might. Trump doesn't. But the civilian population sure does not....of course that never matters when bombs start to fall.
Scary shit, people.
vinsanity0
Active member
Just caught up on this thread and have some random thoughts.
I don't consider myself a feminist. I do consider myself an advocate for women's rights. I don't think there is anything wrong with a woman saying feminists don't speak for her. My wife was like that. I referred to her as a "femininist". She embraced her femininity. She was something of a traditionalist. A radical feminist would say that was because she was oppressed by white male privilege. Bullshit. That was her preference.
Trump though. If he would have said "Yes, I was an asshole back then but I know better now" that would have been one thing. But to be that dismissive of it was just unacceptable. And female Trumpfans being dismissive is baffling. Do they really think us guys sit around talking about assaulting women?
I wish I could figure out what makes a person a Trumpfan so I could cure it.
I saw the thing about Russia today. I'm thinking the whole world will see us as weak if Trump is elected. He literally does not have a clue. If/when he loses I don't think he will do it graciously. I think he will cause a big mess that will show the world how divided we are. Another weakness.
I don't consider myself a feminist. I do consider myself an advocate for women's rights. I don't think there is anything wrong with a woman saying feminists don't speak for her. My wife was like that. I referred to her as a "femininist". She embraced her femininity. She was something of a traditionalist. A radical feminist would say that was because she was oppressed by white male privilege. Bullshit. That was her preference.
Trump though. If he would have said "Yes, I was an asshole back then but I know better now" that would have been one thing. But to be that dismissive of it was just unacceptable. And female Trumpfans being dismissive is baffling. Do they really think us guys sit around talking about assaulting women?
I wish I could figure out what makes a person a Trumpfan so I could cure it.
I saw the thing about Russia today. I'm thinking the whole world will see us as weak if Trump is elected. He literally does not have a clue. If/when he loses I don't think he will do it graciously. I think he will cause a big mess that will show the world how divided we are. Another weakness.
FallenAngelina
Well-known member
Won't happen. The also-ran is always and instantly relegated to a Trivial Pursuit question at best (if people even still play that game.) The day after the election, he won't have a stage except his own celebrity - no media following his every move, not even is own TV show anymore. There are plenty of things to worry about in this world, but this isn't one of them.
Furthermore, the country isn't divided over Trump, the Republican party is. The Republican party is a national minority to begin with and even within the party, Trump supporters are no longer the Republican majority as women are now coming forward about all sorts of sexual impropriety. America isn't evenly split over Trump and the general election in November is going to reflect that. As far as our country's image goes, it will be obvious that America vastly prefers the leadership of an experienced, strong woman over a guy like Donald Trump.
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Spork
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RE: Trump after losing...
The same woman (me) who thought that her narcissistic and childish soon to be ex husband (legally anyhow) would probably kill himself if she ever left (he threatened to)...also believes that a loss like this could demolish Trump's self image enough to endanger his life.
But probably not. Because I'm betting that instead of taking a loss as a rejection by the voters of this nation, he will spin it in his personal narrative as either having campaigned to "shake up" America or that he was cheated or that "Crooked Hillary" rigged it or whatever. He'll probably sue people. Or else say that he never meant to win at all, but how far he got proves some big point.
He'll have his yes men sucking his ego to make him feel better.
I mean, he has spun failures, losses, and poor performance in business and other affairs as being smart and strategic. So I'm sure he can spin this.
The same woman (me) who thought that her narcissistic and childish soon to be ex husband (legally anyhow) would probably kill himself if she ever left (he threatened to)...also believes that a loss like this could demolish Trump's self image enough to endanger his life.
But probably not. Because I'm betting that instead of taking a loss as a rejection by the voters of this nation, he will spin it in his personal narrative as either having campaigned to "shake up" America or that he was cheated or that "Crooked Hillary" rigged it or whatever. He'll probably sue people. Or else say that he never meant to win at all, but how far he got proves some big point.
He'll have his yes men sucking his ego to make him feel better.
I mean, he has spun failures, losses, and poor performance in business and other affairs as being smart and strategic. So I'm sure he can spin this.
opalescent
Active member
I fear he will start a national white supremacy/alt-right party of some kind. I do not believe that is out of the realm of possibility.
vinsanity0
Active member
But that is because the also rans fade away on their own, mostly. Palin certainly had a voice. Why? Because she says stupid things. Trump is the same way. The media will love that circus.
I agree that America isn't split over Trump. I am talking about the appearance of division. Trump promised to jail his political opponent. He has already made comments about the election being fixed. I think it's a little naive to think he will just fade into obscurity after the election.