Scared to move forward

Scared2Try

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Hey everyone, sorry if this is drawn out or just doesn't make sense but im need to even asking for help.

My wife and I have been together since middle school. In that time I had made some stupid decisions and hurt trust but we have always made it through. Fast forward here we are 14yrs later, 2 children, a house and the "life".

My wife has always had attractions towards women and finally opened up about being bi and wanting to try finding a female friend. I was all for it and supportive so she could have the chance for exploration and know for sure. This then moved into dating apps and asking if she could talk to men as well. I agreed thinking it would only be talking. I then started doing the same with women but only talking. I got curious and looked at her phone. I found 2 days after we spoke about it she was sending sexual photos and voice messages to men.

I still believe the poly or ENM would be great for us but I cannot get over the thought of her having another man having only had each other. Shes perfect. Talks with me, assures me were good and it would change nothing but im suffering from anxiety thinking about it.

Did anybody else go through something like this when starting? How were you able to make it? Are you still together and doing it? Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
Certainly not me. I have a wife I wish were getting laid by other men or women. At least I would be free to fly and not fear breaking up a long relationship that now is an entanglement. You need to find someone and put yourself out there. That's my two cents.
 
Hello Scared2Try,

Not to state the obvious but true to your screen name, it sounds like you want poly but are also scared of it. If you are adverse to work, poly may not be for you, as poly usually requires lots of work. But if you are okay with that, then you will find that poly is very worth it. You are scared to have your wife be with another man. We're all monogamously conditioned, so it is going to take a while for you to wrap your mind around polyamory. If you agree to let your wife be with other men, ask her to go slowly.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hey everyone, sorry if this is drawn out or just doesn't make sense but im need to even asking for help.

My wife and I have been together since middle school. In that time I had made some stupid decisions and hurt trust but we have always made it through. Fast forward here we are 14yrs later, 2 children, a house and the "life".

My wife has always had attractions towards women and finally opened up about being bi and wanting to try finding a female friend. I was all for it and supportive so she could have the chance for exploration and know for sure. This then moved into dating apps and asking if she could talk to men as well. I agreed thinking it would only be talking. I then started doing the same with women but only talking. I got curious and looked at her phone. I found 2 days after we spoke about it she was sending sexual photos and voice messages to men.

I still believe the poly or ENM would be great for us but I cannot get over the thought of her having another man having only had each other. Shes perfect. Talks with me, assures me were good and it would change nothing but im suffering from anxiety thinking about it.

Did anybody else go through something like this when starting? How were you able to make it? Are you still together and doing it? Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Your issue is extremely common in polyland. So often women ask their male partner's consent to date other women, and the men are fine with it. But then the woman wants to branch out and date men as well, and the original male partner has a problem with it. We even have a term for this: one-penis policy. You can search that term in our search bar and come up with many threads on this. You could probably read them for a week.

When I search the term, there are 10 pages with 10 threads per page with that term in it.


 
I understand how you feel. The main problem often is not that our wife is with someone else or that they have sex, but the fear of losing her attention and focus on us. That we have to compete for time, affection, and other things in her heart, and maybe even lose her. The beginning is the worst because you can feel like anything can happen. Who knows? And things can change pretty fast. NRE and all that can also make things look very bad. Also, when it starts with a woman, then men come up, then she tells you it is just talking, then suddenly goes towards sex then you feel she is not telling the truth and start distrusting her. Often there are these limits we would like place on these attraction but many wives/husbands who have a strong interest in pursuing a relationship outside marriage and are bisexual: want women and men, want to have feelings for them, and want to have sex. This is natural. So when your wife says oh just talking that is cute, but as a husband you should understand how she feels and expect that she also would want a relationship and sex. Same with the "oh, no feelings just sex". Well, these days it really happen but I see many cases where again sex and feelings come together. Experienced, open poly persons who have built up their relationship rules can perhaps be trusted better. But those who just explore sometimes have no clue where this is heading. The key question is: can she love two partners (you and her partner)? If yes, then it can develop well.

The main worry behind every new poly relationship. Is it really poly or is it just a way to look for the next mono relationship? Is it about loving two people or being bored with one and wanting something new.

However, once a stable pattern is reached you might feel more relaxed. If you can feel she cares about you and your needs are met, then you can also enjoy her joy of being with others. It can be a very fulfilling type of love. However, do not expect someone with NRE to be able to address every concern, or keep every rule and promise. You need to decide on some firm boundaries. Give her a lot of freedom within limits. If she can keep no limits and neglects everything that is a problem. If you nag her about everything and try to micromanage her relationships that can also create problems. You need a good balance. Unfortunately the risks are high on the way to reach a good poly relationship. If you find someone too, then maybe it can be better balanced and smoother on the way. But a poly relationship can be great if all works fine.
 
Hey everyone, sorry if this is drawn out or just doesn't make sense but im need to even asking for help.

My wife and I have been together since middle school. In that time I had made some stupid decisions and hurt trust but we have always made it through. Fast forward here we are 14yrs later, 2 children, a house and the "life".

My wife has always had attractions towards women and finally opened up about being bi and wanting to try finding a female friend. I was all for it and supportive so she could have the chance for exploration and know for sure. This then moved into dating apps and asking if she could talk to men as well. I agreed thinking it would only be talking. I then started doing the same with women but only talking. I got curious and looked at her phone. I found 2 days after we spoke about it she was sending sexual photos and voice messages to men.

I still believe the poly or ENM would be great for us but I cannot get over the thought of her having another man having only had each other. Shes perfect. Talks with me, assures me were good and it would change nothing but im suffering from anxiety thinking about it.

Did anybody else go through something like this when starting? How were you able to make it? Are you still together and doing it? Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
It seems there was a misunderstanding between you and your wife, her asking to "talk" being a eufemism for flirt or even moving into dating.
I like viewing anxiety as warning light - perhaps it tells you there is something that needs your conscious attention and risk assessment.
I think what you should do now is hit the pause button for at least a week, and just let the anxiety calm down.

Then talk again. And some more. Read a book on ethical non-monogamy and discuss the pitfalls.
Get used to the idea and see if there is something for you in it. Find some actual polyamorous or ENM people and talk to them.
Only then should you move into dating.
 
It seems there was a misunderstanding between you and your wife, her asking to "talk" being a eufemism for flirt or even moving into dating.
I like viewing anxiety as warning light - perhaps it tells you there is something that needs your conscious attention and risk assessment.
I think what you should do now is hit the pause button for at least a week, and just let the anxiety calm down.

Then talk again. And some more. Read a book on ethical non-monogamy and discuss the pitfalls.
Get used to the idea and see if there is something for you in it. Find some actual polyamorous or ENM people and talk to them.
Only then should you move into dating.
I've found that my jealousy come out even when it is just talking. Hearing her phone go off or seeing her smile while texting somebody else leaves me feeling inadequate. Feeling like do have to fight for the time and connection even tho she says we have it and doesn't want anything else. I feel so confused because I love how happy she is getting and that shes found somebody to possibly hang out with. Im afraid shes moving into this open free spirit from out stuck suffocating lives and shes want to leave it.
 
Certainly not me. I have a wife I wish were getting laid by other men or women. At least I would be free to fly and not fear breaking up a long relationship that now is an entanglement. You need to find someone and put yourself out there. That's my two cents.
You never had any issues? Never feared losing her after another man had her? Even just in the emotional sense? Her taking time talking to other, making plans, smiling, and blushing at her phone? No issues at all?
 
What you’re feeling is so valid, and you’re not alone — so many people in long-term relationships, especially those exploring non-monogamy for the first time, hit this exact emotional wall.

What might help right now:

1. Radical Honesty with Her

Let her know this isn’t about controlling her, but about needing a secure foundation while this new freedom grows.

Here’s an idea for how you might say it:

“I love seeing you so happy and alive. I really do. But sometimes, even the little things — like your phone lighting up — hit me like a wave of fear I wasn’t ready for. I start wondering if I’m losing you to this new energy, this new world. I know you say I’m enough, and I believe you mean that. But I’m struggling to feel it when our space feels like it’s shrinking. I don’t want to cage you — I just want to feel like I’m still your person, even as things expand.” Hope this help.

Regards Dianne! Thanks
I wish I was that good with words and emotions to start with. I feel every time I've brought it up so far I've only cause her to pity me and want to stop because im jealous.
 
I've found that my jealousy come out even when it is just talking. Hearing her phone go off or seeing her smile while texting somebody else leaves me feeling inadequate. Feeling like do have to fight for the time and connection even tho she says we have it and doesn't want anything else. I feel so confused because I love how happy she is getting and that shes found somebody to possibly hang out with. Im afraid shes moving into this open free spirit from out stuck suffocating lives and shes want to leave it.
Is this one specific person already?
I wish I was that good with words and emotions to start with. I feel every time I've brought it up so far I've only cause her to pity me and want to stop because im jealous.
So have her stop before you get too deep in. Not forever, just hit pause before there's been an actual physical date, before it means nipping a new relationship in the bud, and possibly hurting your partner and a third person. Things can go quite fast and crazy with "NRE" (new relationship energy, falling in love) once a new connection has been made! And you don't get a pause button once that happens.
Press it now. You have to talk it out, get used to the images this possibility has brought up.

Maybe having her just date girls first is not such a bad idea - you'll get some practice on those important emotional skills before opening up fully.

You never had any issues? Never feared losing her after another man had her? Even just in the emotional sense? Her taking time talking to other, making plans, smiling, and blushing at her phone? No issues at all?
Most people will feel fear at some point. But you do seem quite sensitive.

Plus, if you can't do radical honesty? Your emotional skills are weak in general? Woefully unprepared.
 
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Evie.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Hey everyone, sorry if this is drawn out or just doesn't make sense but I'm need to even asking for help.
It makes perfect sense for someone transitioning a 14-yr marriage.👍


My wife and I have been together since middle school. In that time I had made some stupid decisions and hurt trust but we have always made it through. Fast forward here we are 14yrs later, 2 children, a house and the "life".

My wife has always had attractions towards women and finally opened up about being bi and wanting to try finding a female friend. I was all for it and supportive so she could have the chance for exploration and know for sure. This then moved into dating apps and asking if she could talk to men as well. I agreed thinking it would only be talking. I then started doing the same with women but only talking. I got curious and looked at her phone. I found 2 days after we spoke about it she was sending sexual photos and voice messages to men.
Do you think this is or was a speed issue or a bait and switch issue?

I still believe the poly or ENM would be great for us but I cannot get over the thought of her having another man having only had each other.
Are you saying hypothetically poly or ENM might be great in the future but you’re not emotionally ready right this second ?
Did you screw up and inform your wife that you had some mental work to do before she start scheduling sleepovers ?

She's perfect. Talks with me, assures me were good and it would change nothing but I'm suffering from anxiety thinking about it.
First of all it’s good/nice she’s trying to comfort you as you struggle. HOWEVER, with zero experience on either of your parts, it’s very, very naive to believe nothing will change. There are so many variables it’s almost impossible to predict the depth and width of change that can and will occur. There are 14 yrs of routine and ruts from a well-traveled road, and some of it, maybe even all of it, will be challenged. The better expectations/realization, IMO, is to see this as a brand new chapter. The old team mentality is dead and gone. This is more of an individual sport with a new game and new rules.

Did anybody else go through something like this when starting? How were you able to make it? Are you still together and doing it? Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
I invite you to read old threads and blogs to get a picture of just how many people have struggled in the beginning and what they did to overcome that struggle.
 
I don't know if this helps you any. But these things stuck out to me from your posts. You do NOT have to answer anything online. I don't expect you to. Consider these some questions to help you reflect and figure out what is bothering you, and in what order, like:

Which parts weight more heavily on you than others? Are you two going into this underprepared? Is one more prepared than the other?

My wife and I have been together since middle school.

So she represents your only/longest-lasting adult relationship?

In that time, I had made some stupid decisions and hurt trust, but we have always made it through.

What sorts of things when? Back in MS or HS or more recently? Have you forgiven YOURSELF for whatever it was, or do you still carry it as a burden?

I still believe the poly or ENM would be great for us, but I cannot get over the thought of her having another man, having only had each other. She's perfect. Talks with me, assures me we are good, and it would change nothing. But I'm suffering from anxiety thinking about it.

So is this about fear of the new guy meeting her emotional needs more than you; being better at sex than you; a sense of loss of "specialness," because you two have been each other's only partners since MS; fear of a break up; or something else?

How do you manage your fear of breaking up NOW? Even in monogamy, people break up. There doesn't have to be anyone else for them to do it. They just have to decide "I don't want to do this anymore. I'd rather be on my own."

Are you scared you might date and find someone more compatible for you?

Would you feel better if she said, "Well, I don't know what will come. Some things might change. Here's what I'd like to stay the same," rather than telling you, "It would change nothing," because it doesn't give you emotional space to talk about your fears and doubts?

This "perfect" thing -- are you putting her on a pedestal? Do you think you "got lucky" to find her and are scared your luck is running out?

Do you like yourself in general, or not so much?

I've found that my jealousy comes out even when it is just talking. Hearing her phone go off, or seeing her smile while texting somebody else, leaves me feeling inadequate. Feeling like do have to fight for the time and connection, even tho she says we have it, and doesn't want anything else.

Why does there have to be a fight? Are you two getting lost in putting the kids first and parenting duties?

Do you each have two nights off from being the parent in charge, where you get to nap, rest, do hobbies, go take a class, go out alone, with friends, with family, etc., so the individual person is getting time to recharge their batteries?

Are you two making regular couple time/dates together at least once a week, and once a week for special family dates? Or not really?

While kids need care, are you not putting the couple first? Making the kids knock before coming into the bedroom? Leaving some things/activities for the couple only? Like watching your 30-minute show together, and telling the kids that unless there's blood or bones, they cannot interrupt? Or do you tell the kids they don't get to come up on the couch, they have to play nearby on the floor? Some sort of boundaries? Because kids grow up and move out. Then what? You want the couple to still be there, right?

I'm afraid she's moving into this open free spirit from our stuck suffocating lives, and she want to leave it.

What do you need to move into an open free spirit and out of a stuck suffocating life? Even if you two never open/practice polyamory, why are you living stuck and suffocating lives? What could change?

Are you afraid she's outgrowing you, or you are outgrowing her? Does it feel disloyal to think such things?

I wish I was that good with words and emotions to start with.
What's prevented you from growing in this area? Are you comfortable being vulnerable and emotionally honest with your partner? Why or why not? Are you worried having some basic needs comes across as "being too needy?"

Do you over-rely on your partner to help your co-regulate or process big stuff? Are you making partner be your "free therapist"? Do they do the bulk of emotional labor in this relationship? Do you have enough friends/a social circle of your own?

I feel every time I've brought it up so far, I've only cause her to pity me and want to stop because I'm jealous.

Is there something wrong with your partner having compassion for you?

Maybe it is ok to take a pause, so you two can better prepare to open up, and not come to ENM/polyamory all rocky, wonky, or distressed? Would you both want to work with a poly counselor?


Have you done enough to disentangle?



Or have you been "joined at the hip" since middle school?

Are there codependent things going on?


Have you talked about what happens if you open and things go WELL? What would that look like?

Have you talked about what happens if you open and things have to end? What a peaceful break up/divorce looks like? What about coparenting?

If you find you cannot even talk about that, at all... why is that?

Galagirl
 
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Is this one specific person already?

So have her stop before you get too deep in. Not forever, just hit pause before there's been an actual physical date, before it means nipping a new relationship in the bud, and possibly hurting your partner and a third person. Things can go quite fast and crazy with "NRE" (new relationship energy, falling in love) once a new connection has been made! And you don't get a pause button once that happens.
Press it now. You have to talk it out, get used to the images this possibility has brought up.

Maybe having her just date girls first is not such a bad idea. You'll get some practice on those important emotional skills before opening up fully.

Most people will feel fear at some point. But you do seem quite sensitive.

Plus, if you can't do radical honesty? Your emotional skills are weak in general? Woefully unprepared.
It's not one specific person, per se. I find that I put my jealousy towards one person, tho. I find a reason and push it, due to my own insecurities. Right now, as it stands, she says her intentions with guys is just friendship. In my mind, I find it hard to accept that. I already feel that I'd be ending relationships even before dates, if you will.
 
It makes perfect sense for someone transitioning a 14-yr marriage.

Do you think this is or was a speed issue or a bait and switch issue?

Are you saying hypothetically poly or ENM might be great in the future, but you’re not emotionally ready right this second?
Did you screw up and inform your wife that you had some mental work to do before she start scheduling sleepovers?

First of all, it’s good/nice she’s trying to comfort you as you struggle. HOWEVER, with zero experience on either of your parts, it’s very, very naive to believe nothing will change. There are so many variables it’s almost impossible to predict the depth and width of change that can and will occur. There are 14 yrs of routine and ruts from a well-traveled road, and some of it, maybe even all of it, will be challenged. The better expectation/realization, IMO, is to see this as a brand-new chapter. The old team mentality is dead and gone. This is more of an individual sport, with a new game and new rules.

I invite you to read old threads and blogs to get a picture of just how many people have struggled in the beginning, and what they did to overcome that struggle.
I believe it was a speed issue. The transition happened very quickly, if you ask me. But it felt right for her. I'm not sure exactly what category of ENM we're working towards at the moment. My emotional readiness changes day to day. I'm like a teenager trying to find themselves. She knows of the mental work I need todo, and hasn't had, or even asked, about sleepovers. Just hanging out with another guy. I don't want to see the team stop being a team. I thought this was supposed to enhance the team, not break it up, in a sense.

Do you have any threads you would recommend, given my situation?
 
It's not one specific person, per se. I find that I put my jealousy towards one person, tho. I find a reason, and push it, due to my own insecurities. Right now, as it stands, she says her intentions with guys is just friendship. In my mind, I find it hard to accept that.
You find it hard to accept because it's a dating app and you found her sending sexy photos, no? So, is it friendship or flirting? Maybe it's nothing more than some fun flirting, but that should be named clearly.

I already feel that I'd be ending relationships even before dates, if you will.
Right now it's just texting. Sure, maybe there is potential.

I appreciate that you are willing to try ethical non-monogamy and that you don't want to put restrictions on your partner. Ultimately, this is part of the right approach. It's just that you need to pack more tools into your bag before you embark on the journey. It's great that you came here, and now is also the time to:
- Research the different styles of ENM
- Talk about all the "what if's" [What if one of you falls in love? What if one of us is too uncomfortable? (Do the reading on why a veto may not be the answer)]
- Examine your feelings and share them with your partner - something you will have to be doing all along
- Find local poly communities
- Find a poly-friendly therapist to support you in building the skills you need
 
I got curious and looked at her phone. I found 2 days after we spoke about it, she was sending sexual photos and voice messages to men.

Were you peeking in her phone without her consent? Do you two just look at each other phones? Does this invade a 3rd party's privacy if they thought they were sending texts/pix for her eyes only?


Right now as it stands, she says her intentions with guys is just friendship. I find it hard to accept that.

I don't send my friends spicy texts and nude pix. Does she send all her friends that? Or just this dude?

And is she saying "friends" like "platonic friendship," or like shorthand for "FWB"?

It's not one specific person, per se. I find that I put my jealousy towards one person, tho. I find a reason, and push it, due to my own insecurities.

Are you actually insecure? Or are you in a situation that is "say one thing, do another" so it doesn't feel especially stable? Or a combo?

I mean, you both are new. You don't know her as a hinge. You don't know if she's trustworthy as a hinge yet, because she's untried. If she's not being honest, and does stuff like this before she's even dating for real, does that that add to or take away from the trust between you?

If you were peeking at her phone without her consent, does that add to or take away from the trust between you?

I feel that I'd be ending relationships even before dates...

What does this mean? She offers to stop. But you don't want to take the option, because you don't want to seem ____? Or because you think she's not really going to stop? Something else?

GG
 
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