Struggling after suicide introduction

2021struggle

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I’m a pretty easygoing person who is very passionate about my career and spending time with friends and family when I’m not working. I enjoy being outdoors and definitely thrive in the summertime.
I was married for 23 years, we were together for 28 years total. We have 3 beautiful children together. I guess I would consider our relationship leaning more toward swingers.
On November 1, 2021 J caused his own death during a trip to visit his family on the East Coast just 2 days after his birthday. I was able to get police and paramedics involved quickly enough that they were able to restart his heart. Unfortunately, he had been too long without oxygen and he was not going to recover from his brain injury.
I had to make the most difficult decision of my entire life and discontinue ventilator support. On November 6, 2021 J’s heart stopped beating.
The past 3 months have been incredibly difficult as I struggle to navigate what life without him looks and feels like. We started dating when we were 15 - moved in together after I was emancipated at 17. I have never known life without him. Never been on my own. We got involved in the swinger lifestyle when we were in our mid twenties. And have made some really fantastic friends in the poly and swinger communities.
My world is divided at the moment and I am struggling to figure out where my place is. Part of my life and world - work, family, kids- believes J and I were simply a match made in heaven and were absolutely perfect for each other. Envious of how close we were, our relationship seemed to only get stronger as each year passed while other family and friends relationships were ending in divorce.
The other part of me - J and I shared many encounters over the years with single men and select couples. Never nurturing relationships with them : but definitely building and growing friendships with several especially in the past couple of years. After this recent tragedy they have shown up and been there for me more than my family.
In the quiet of the night: my mind whirling I question their intentions. Being physical with someone right now doesn’t feel wrong but it doesn’t seem right. Is a sexual encounter all they are seeking from me? I’m not looking for a relationship or any sort of commitment from anyone. In the months leading up to J taking the trip back East to visit family our relationship had begun to get rocky so his trip was twofold: visit family, show off his new car and brag about his newly reinstated driver’s license after 17 years of not having one it was a big deal for us—— it was also supposed to give us some time apart to heal and remember our why. I had told J I wanted to take a break from the swinger side of our relationship at the beginning of 2021. I was beginning to feel like a sex object and we were not reconnecting afterwards the way we had previously. We had many discussions about this topic throughout the year, I let him know he was welcome to continue meeting and playing with others: I needed /wanted a break. He never relented in his pursuit of continuing to make encounters about me: finding me partners (always male). I felt very disrespected by his decision, but it was the only thing that seemed to make him happy- so we continued through the summer. My mental health started declining as I had less and less body antomy that’s when I insisted J visit his family.
The passion was gone from our relationship - I no longer felt wanted by him or those he set me up with. I missed feeling wanted and desired. Flirting with someone we met and having that tension and fire build until we could no longer resist - and taking that level of energy back to our hotel room. We were skipping straight to meeting in hotel rooms where I felt very objectified. The fun was gone for me.
Several of those people J remained in contact with for one reason or another. A few of them I reached out to after J’s suicide - the ones that I felt we had common interests in with and that we could possibly be friends with.
I have made it known to them that I am figuring out what my life without J means and what my feelings are regarding the lifestyle we lived - that I was unhappy with the alternate lifestyle and felt sexually objectified and used by J for the past year and I am not ready to engage in that behavior at this time and am assured they only want to help, to be a shoulder to cry on and someone to lean on when things get difficult. Yet when we have spent time together I still feel objectified and that their intentions are purely sexual.
This has me feeling isolated, misunderstood and that my worth is only found between my legs. I have only one independent friend locally: and this friend doesn’t know about our lifestyle. The only people I feel I can be 100% open and honest with about J and some of the struggles he had, I had and we had : are these individuals. Now I question their intentions and the validity of the friendship we had forged previously.
Our mutual friends are the only people I have had contact with since his suicide: there is only one couple that have shown up when I needed them- I don’t question their truth at all. Everyone else’s response when I have reached out in need or when they offer to spend time with me::: it is ALWAYS you can come over to my place. No thanks. Yes on occasion I need to get away and see 4 fresh walls, but most of the time right now I want the comfort of my 4 walls. I did move out of the apartment J and I had been in : so it’s not like they should or would be feeling awkward about being at our apartment- and all of our encounters were in hotel rooms so there would be no association at the apartment- I would think. I spent the month of December remodeling the new place: putting in new floors, painting, fence repair, rehanging doors:: all the stuff lol. Everyone I have been in contact with also knows this.
I’m simply lost at the moment: I don’t know what grieving looks like, I don’t know what healing feels like, I don’t know what’s next: I do know I need people in my life that I can talk to and with- people I can be open and honest around and not feel judged by- people who knew both of us and can share stories about him—- these are the people I need.
When I’m around them I can’t help but sense / feel there is an ulterior motive behind it all.
 
Greetings 2021struggle,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

I'm so sorry to hear of J's suicide, there is really nothing that can be said that can make that hurt any less. You may even be experiencing some guilt over the freedom you experience as you don't have to answer to J anymore. Which if true would be a very private matter, and not something you would want me to mention here. I don't think there's any price you would not be willing to pay, to get J back.

I have had suicidal notions about myself in the past, and have concluded that when someone ends their life, they must have did it because they were in so much pain that they couldn't even express it; committing suicide means defying the very survival instinct that is so deeply ingrained within us all. On the other hand, those of us who are left behind can hardly derive any comfort from that.

Life does go on; if you have any wish to share I would be happy to oblige; you can message me privately if you want. In the meantime, the forum is here for you if that would help. Hang in there, and let us know if we can help.

Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter"

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I'm so sorry to heart about J's suicide.

I’m simply lost at the moment: I don’t know what grieving looks like, I don’t know what healing feels like, I don’t know what’s next:

That right there is what grieving looks like for you right now when it's so fresh. It's ok to feel this way. Lost, things up in the air, confused, etc.

I do know I need people in my life that I can talk to and with- people I can be open and honest around and not feel judged by- people who knew both of us and can share stories about him—- these are the people I need. When I’m around them I can’t help but sense / feel there is an ulterior motive behind it all.

That sounds like a good boundary to have right now then -- No help or anything from past swinging partners from the last year, because it was connections made under circumstances where you felt you lost body autonomy and were not enjoying it. You doubt their motives. So you tell them "No, thanks."

If it's older swinging friends, from a time when you DID enjoy it and felt in charge of you/your body? Then maybe accept help from them. Emphasis on friends helping a new widow, NOT on a setting up a swinging thing.

You might also consider suicide survivor groups to help you. Or grief counseling.

I can only imagine how hard it is right now. I hope in time things get better.

Galagirl
 
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You are the most important person right now. I understand the move toward dissatisfaction in the LS. I observed that many time. Trying to figure out motivations is difficult. Most of us have one or two people we can spill our guts to. Look at the people in your life. Evaluate them to see if you can talk to just one, and keep it private. If not, Thierry folks here do care.

You have a look of determination in your eyes. Keep that strong. Take a little piece of paper and write “I am special” “I am beautiful “ etc and stick it to your bathroom mirror so you read that frequently. Change up the sentence.

We each have our personal demons that we deal with. J had his. There is no need to try to deal with his. Live your life for you. Day by day.

Kind Regards.
 
You are the most important person right now. I understand the move toward dissatisfaction in the LS. I observed that many time. Trying to figure out motivations is difficult. Most of us have one or two people we can spill our guts to. Look at the people in your life. Evaluate them to see if you can talk to just one, and keep it private. If not, Thierry folks here do care.

You have a look of determination in your eyes. Keep that strong. Take a little piece of paper and write “I am special” “I am beautiful “ etc and stick it to your bathroom mirror so you read that frequently. Change up the sentence.

We each have our personal demons that we deal with. J had his. There is no need to try to deal with his. Live your life for you. Day by day.

Kind Regards.
It is interesting you suggest the mirror motivation statements. I have taken that idea one step further and filled an entire pack of index cards with quotes from various motivation sites: “
Take life day by day and be grateful for the little things. Don't get caught up in what you can't control. Accept it and make the best of it.

I will never regret you or say I wish I’d never met you. Because once upon a time you were exactly what I needed.

This is the point to stop looking back and start moving forward.

A good day starts with a good mindset.

When everything feels too much, just breathe, take some time to think, to enjoy, to take care of yourself.

Stop and congratulate yourself often. You know how hard you've worked to get here.

These times are hard but they will pass.

It takes a strong heart to love but it takes an even stronger heart to continue to love after it’s been hurt.

It's okay to not be okay – it means that your mind is trying to heal itself.

I leave the cards in the drawers / cabinets/ refrigerator - for anyone to find / see with the understanding if they see one that moves them - really speaks to them they are welcome to take it. If not leave it for the next person to see. It has helped me for sure and has been very well received at work.

Every day brings its own challenges and I am trying to take them on one at a time and not all at once. somedays are infinitely harder to break my challenges into manageable pieces.
 
I'm so sorry to heart about J's suicide.



That right there is what grieving looks like for you right now when it's so fresh. It's ok to feel this way. Lost, things up in the air, confused, etc.



That sounds like a good boundary to have right now then. "No, thanks." No help or anything from past swinging partners from the last year, because it was connections made under circumstances where you felt you lost body autonomy and were not enjoying it. You doubt their motives.

If it's older swinging friends, from a time when you DID enjoy it and felt in charge of you/your body? Then maybe accept help from them. Emphasis on friends helping a new widow, NOT on a setting up a swinging thing.

You might also consider suicide survivor groups to help you. Or grief counseling.

I can only imagine how hard it is right now. I hope in time things get better.

Galagirl
Thank you for that insight. I have a difficult time setting boundaries and a difficult time saying no to others. As much as I loved J and would do anything to change the circumstances- He could be a very manipulative person and had no respect for physical or emotional boundaries I tried to set for myself - and after years of not having my boundaries respected I stopped trying.
Do you have any suggestions for reading materials about any of these topics?
 
Which topic? Setting boundaries?

This one links to a lot of other ones.

Thank you for that insight. I have a difficult time setting boundaries and a difficult time saying no to others. As much as I loved J and would do anything to change the circumstances- He could be a very manipulative person and had no respect for physical or emotional boundaries I tried to set for myself - and after years of not having my boundaries respected I stopped trying.

Personal boundaries are things YOU set up for YOU to obey to help keep you safe from shenanigans. Not other people.

If I have a personal boundary of "I don't lend things to careless people" and my neighbor borrows my lawn mower and breaks it? And doesn't offer to repair or replace it? And now they want to borrow my weed whacker?

It is not on the neighbor to honor my personal boundary. It is on ME to honor it. So I would have to say "Sorry, neighbor. I'm not loaning things at this time." And they can go solve their weed whacker problem on their own without my involvement.

I have a phone boundary of "I only answer calls from 9 AM to 8 PM." After that it goes to voice mail and if emergency I'll answer. If not, I don't care. I'll deal with it tomorrow. I'm doing family time or me time. People can TRY to call my phone 24/7 but I can honor my own phone boundary and not take calls that come outside my phone hours.

In the case of a person who chronic oversteps? My personal boundary is "I accept people might not realize or make mistakes. I will ask them to stop stepping on my toes. I'll go up to 3 strikes and if they keep on doing it? Don't change behavior? Then I can't be with this person and be at peace." So to honor my boundary I'd have to stop interacting with them.

Moving forward? You might give yourself permission to have personal boundaries like that. You are allowed to take up the space you do in the world. You can create healthy boundaries for yourself.

They don't have to be like sky high impenetrable brick walls. But neither can people just come into your space willy nilly whenever, however. Personal boundaries are like a waist high fence with a gate you can open and close and invite people in or not at the times you are willing to open/close gate.

Galagirl
 
welcome to the forum… And so sorry for your loss. How are your kids handling the whole thing. What help me through a difficult time was focusing on my kids and getting through as a family vs me solo.
 
I am so sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that your relationship arrangements started to fail both of you, to the point where you wanted to stop swinging, and this refusal (and other things, I'm sure) contributed to your husband taking his life.

This is not a board for swingers. However, we do get ex-swingers coming here who have found swinging to no longer be a fit for them. They don't want shallow relationships with other adults just based on sex and surface friendship. They may find themselves falling in love with one or more of their sex partners. They want to prioritize their own truth, their own feelings, and not just the heteronormative relationship that requires it be the only one where romantic love is allowed.

I see that you were having sex with other men to please your husband, with less and less time to let sexual tension build before the fucking. I hear that you felt objectified by that, unfulfilled, used. I recommend you stop seeing people who think this is a fine way to be. It sounds like it will just make you more depressed.

It is very important to learn how to say No. We all have to love ourselves and put our own needs first. That isn't selfish. It's just self-protective. Only when you feel safe and whole can you be on an equal playing field with other adults. You were not put on this earth just to please other people. We get that wrong in our culture. We are told to put others' needs, even wants, before our own. But this is honestly not a healthy way to go.
 
welcome to the forum… And so sorry for your loss. How are your kids handling the whole thing. What help me through a difficult time was focusing on my kids and getting through as a family vs me solo.
The kids are as well as expected. The oldest is 24 and the youngest is almost 17: they understand and know how much their dad struggled with depression and anxiety I have each of them enrolled in counseling. They have had several individual sessions and we have had a few with all of us.
 
It is good that you have the kids enrolled in counseling. They may have feelings that are hidden under the surface, in addition to what shows.

It sounds like J was far from a perfect person, I suppose that's true of all of us, but he did not honor nor respect your boundaries. That did some damage to you. You will have to do some digging, and unpack some baggage, because of it.
 
Currently working on unpacking- some boxes are too heavy to unpack. Some of those are sitting right in the middle of the room and make navigation difficult . This group has been more helpful than anything else I have done to date. So I was able to push one of my heavier boxes out of the way a little this week. (Boundaries). Thank you
 
Glad you were able to push one box out of the way. Every little bit helps.
 
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