Vicki's Journey Continues...

Man, I always get horrified when I hear about today's modern public school sex ed/family life curriculums. They seem to be all over the place. There is no agreement on what should be said!

A healthy relationship does not include cheating, is what the teacher should have said. I am so proud of your kid to stand up and say that healthy polyamory exists! That's freaking awesome. Most kids will hear about polyamory sooner or later. It's good they heard about it from someone who grew up with it and understands how it should work! :)
 
Charles and I went to an AI in Cancun for our 5th anniversary and had a wonderful time. We had professional photos taken since we didn't really have any nice ones of us, and that was bothering me. We have a gallery wall in our living room with wedding pics of me and Henry. While Charles said he didn't mind because he isn't treated as less, it did bother me. So now we have some beautiful pictures of us as well and we'll just need to get some framed and figure out where they're going.

It's funny, we've always had separate vacations so that we can enjoy the one on one time and not worry about dividing time, but we did toss the idea on the table about doing a family vacation sometime. If that's what they want, I'm OK with it; I just worried whoever was hanging out with Kiddo would feel unhappy/left out. We could definitely plan a bunch of family time but I'd probably have to switch rooms at night lol. I'll leave it up to them, since they're the ones who would have to figure out what works for them. Charles and I definitely want to go back to this resort at some point though.

Part of me feels anxiety about being that "out" in a foreign country, and part of me thinks it would be wonderful. I guess reality is probably somewhere in between, as usual. Henry just laughed when I asked what we'd say to people who asked and told me I should say one isn't enough for me :ROFLMAO:
 
We LOVE taking family vacations! Hubby and I get dedicated kid-free time, Boy feels like he's being helpful, LG gets the memories with all her people, I get to stress about the finances of travel less, Hubby doesn't feel pressured to do the outdoorsy stuff. We all win!
 
We LOVE taking family vacations! Hubby and I get dedicated kid-free time, Boy feels like he's being helpful, LG gets the memories with all her people, I get to stress about the finances of travel less, Hubby doesn't feel pressured to do the outdoorsy stuff. We all win!

I mean, I usually prefer to take trips with each of my loves one on one. Then I get the kid free time without having to worry about being fair to everyone. I figure if I was on vacation I wouldn't want to be spending all that money to not get to share all my time with my partner. But if they feel differently I'm willing to give it a try. There are certainly things we could do all together as a group but of course I would want romantic alone time with each of them and would have to split my nights.

I dunno. Anyway, it's a possibility but it's some way off anyway. We won't go on vacation again for 2-3 years now.
 
Sadly, brought home a not-so-fun souvenir from Mexico- looks like I ate some sort of contaminated food, but no idea what since it takes about a week to show after exposure. I've been sick now with some version of Montezuma's Revenge for three weeks now. I've been so exhausted I can barely get out of bed to go to the bathroom and everything upsets my stomach. I feel like I'm wasting what little bit is left of the summer but there isn't much I can do if I'm sick.

I'm also frustrated because now it's been a month since I've been on my workout schedule, and I don't want to lose all the work I've put in to build muscle while I'm losing weight. But yesterday I went for a half hour walk outside and came home tired enough to need to lay down so I know I'm not ready for really intense exercise. I hate it though. I mean I still hate exercise, but this is a thing that I decided I was going to do and I'm frustrated that I can't do it at the moment.

I wouldn't recommend parasites as a good way to lose weight though- it was certainly an unpleasant way to drop 13lbs in 2 weeks. I think I prefer the slow and steady way.

On the plus side, I'm definitely going to win my HealthyWager. I just hit the target weight today and I can't weigh out until October 31, so I'm way ahead of the curve. I'm hoping to place another wager when I'm able to again because hey, free money if I'm keeping up with my meds and exercise and food choices. I have to lose 50lbs more to make it to the original goal I set, and then we'll evaluate again from there. I'm currently down 87.2lbs and counting. It's almost embarrassing to say but I gained so much during covid and there's nothing I can do about that now. I don't want to be there again. I didn't notice before when I was looking at pictures of me because I guess it was normal but now? My face looks so much fatter and that makes me sad. I don't want to see myself that way when I was having fun. I really hate all the dysmorphia that comes along with weight gain and loss.

One weekend when the sick hadn't struck yet, we hosted a murder mystery party and it was so much fun! Kiddo wound up being the murderer and he had a blast. Since we had fewer women than needed, two men wound up playing female characters. Our friend was a good sport and threw a black apron over his clothes to be a French maid even if he didn't really get into it, but Charles had a blast playing a rich, quirky heiress. He wore one of my slinky black dresses and a shrug, got a long wig, and put on makeup. And man, was he hot! Apparently it hit a button for him because now he's having a lot of fun reading about crossdressing. It's also pretty lucky for him that I was just about to get rid of a bunch of clothes that are too big for me now so he got to go through a whole wardrobe and see what styles he liked in the privacy of home. He's a little bigger of a person than I am now, so he won't be able to borrow my clothes in the future but he got a whole bunch to start with for now, and why not? At least I know my clothes are being worn and appreciated!

Life is full of surprises sometimes lol. I'm curious to see what he's going to pick next time we host a murder mystery party! We have a few games we haven't played yet.
 
So I guess lots of things to update.

Charles found the crossdressing really hit a note internally and has been diving into explorations of gender. They don't think they're trans and have no intentions of transitioning, but the crossdressing is more of an identity issue than a kink. So they're dressing as female when they feel like it and have chosen a female name to use during those times. Personally, I don't and have never really understood gender fluidity, so I guess I should be grateful that it's not something I've had to worry about. To me, personality traits aren't tied to gender in any way. I'm a Domme, and I like lots of things and behaviours that are traditionally male, but I don't feel any less female while I'm engaging in them. I'm always the same me. That being said, I understand that different people have different experiences and just because it isn't something I am able to understand doesn't make it invalid. So I've told them that I'm happy they're finding out what works for them and I've been as supportive as I can be. We went to a drag show last weekend and they wanted to dress while we went and hey it's the perfect space for it so they did. We both had fun. I've noticed their physical mannerisms even change when they're female presenting which I find interesting.

I finally got to (very briefly) meet Henry's partner who I think I called Tina. She was putting on an art show at the local maker space and while I had plans for most of the day, Henry invited me to come by at the end and then I could ride home with him instead of taking the bus. He neglected to let Tina know I was coming so I felt a little awkward about that but it went ok. She had expressed before I went to Mexico that she wanted to meet me which is great because I much prefer to at least get to say hi to the people who are important to the ones I love, but life and schedules and then me being sick for so long meant it just hadn't happened. So that was a busy day but at least we could say hi and acknowledge each other's existence and express that we'd get together sometime soon.

Also, I'm not sure how best to navigate a situation involving her and it's bothering me a bit (feedback welcome). She and I have the exact same birthday (even year, actually!). This year, it falls on a Saturday which is creating a little awkwardness at least for me. If it was any other day of the week, I'd definitely tell Henry to go spend it with her and I'd just hang out with Charles and we could do things another day. But I always have a party on the closest weekend to my birthday and invite a houseful of people. And maybe this is selfish, but if it wasn't her birthday I would totally invite her too. But because it is? I feel awkward. Guess I'm a little kid and I don't want to share my birthday. Like if I have a birthday party on her birthday, I can't really not have it be some kind of joint party which I don't particularly want. But it feels wrong to exclude her just because of that. Additionally, it feels kind of like couples' privilege to immediately claim said day because it's my birthday, but I wouldn't have if it wasn't the day I have the party- which has to be Saturday since people come from out of town. So I don't really know what to do. Henry pointed out that we don't even know what she plans or what she wants, and that he'll talk to her about it, but I'm feeling a lot of ways and having difficulty navigating it. I don't like thinking that maybe I'm pulling rank because I don't want to be that person. But when does having prior plans become pulling rank? Except that this specific day would never have been available for her to make plans first, so... :( It leaves me doing circles in my head.

Kiddo started high school this year so that's been a bit challenging as well. He was pretty anxious about it. So far it's been going relatively well? Except he is having a little trouble with the bus system and on his first day wound up in another city by mistake. Hopefully he's now learned to ASK where the bus is going before he gets on!

And I guess the last bit of news is one I'm having trouble digesting. My mom has cancer. We have a complicated relationship and she's not really the best at talking about things so I am really not quite sure what's going on other than it's already spread. The healthcare system is so backed up because of covid that she's been having issues for nearly a year and it's taken this long to go through testing and she still doesn't really have a treatment plan yet. I am worried, but also again the complicated feelings. I'm worried about Kiddo too. Death is hard to deal with.

I just haven't been feeling right lately and between recovering from being sick and being unable to exercise much because of exhaustion and all this stuff going on, I just don't feel like me lately. The house is a mess and the to-do list is long and I'm not really feeling up to much. Not really wanting to connect with my partners the same way either because I'm just tired and irritable.

My weight loss has stalled because I've been eating my feelings lately, which sucks. I haven't regained and I still want to lose about 50lbs more but I guess I'm just having trouble focusing at the moment. My coworkers haven't seen me since school was out in June and I guess I wanted the positive attention so I wore skinny jeans and a fitted top, and they all told me I look great. Which was nice at least but I still have work to do. Life is what it is and I don't want to go through this again so I need to keep the weight off. After I had Kiddo, I lost 110lbs and I kept it off until my divorce got ugly. I don't want to yo-yo again. Not really being able to exercise has been so disheartening because I worked so hard from December onwards, and I was doing it 4-6 times a week. Improved cardiac health, etc. Now? My cardiac health has gotten worse than it was before I started working out so it feels like I screwed it all up. I'm trying to get back on track but I just don't have the energy yet. My health app keeps telling me that I'm pushing too hard and then I spend the next day in bed so I guess I am but I was only doing half an hour of an easy intensity video. Bleh.

I'm just plain tired, I guess. Feeling burnt out.
 
I'm not sure how best to navigate a situation involving Tina, and it's bothering me a bit. (Feedback welcome.) She and I have the exact same birthday (even year, actually!). This year, it falls on a Saturday, which is creating a little awkwardness, at least for me. If it was any other day of the week, I'd definitely tell Henry to go spend it with her and I'd just hang out with Charles and we could do things another day. But I always have a party on the closest weekend to my birthday and invite a houseful of people. And maybe this is selfish, but if it wasn't her birthday I would totally invite her too.

But because it is, I feel awkward. Guess I'm a little kid and I don't want to share my birthday. Like if I have a birthday party on her birthday, I can't really not have it be some kind of joint party. which I don't particularly want. But it feels wrong to exclude her just because of that. Additionally, it feels kind of like couples' privilege to immediately claim said day because it's my birthday, but I wouldn't have if it wasn't the day I have the party- which has to be Saturday since people come from out of town.

I don't know what to do. Henry pointed out that we don't even know what she plans or what she wants, and that he'll talk to her about it, but I'm feeling a lot of ways and having difficulty navigating it. I don't like thinking that maybe I'm pulling rank because I don't want to be that person. But when does having prior plans become pulling rank? Except that this specific day would never have been available for her to make plans first.
I'd say since she's your meta and you've barely met her, there is no reason to share your traditional party with her. Have your usual party. Don't invite her. Henry and she can make other plans. Maybe he could be at your party for a while and then go to her and celebrate, either the same day/evening, or the next day. But that's up to him, of course. Let Henry deal with it, as he said he would, and try to let it go. It's not really the big deal you're making it. It's not couple privilege. You do your thing. If your traditional party, and seeing all your/his friends, is Henry's priority, that's his choice. It's not you pulling rank yourself.
And I guess the last bit of news is one I'm having trouble digesting. My mom has cancer. We have a complicated relationship and she's not really the best at talking about things so I am really not quite sure what's going on other than it's already spread. The healthcare system is so backed up because of covid that she's been having issues for nearly a year and it's taken this long to go through testing and she still doesn't really have a treatment plan yet.
That's so shocking. Cancer spreads. I don't understand how she can be walking around with cancer for a year, with no treatment plan!

Pixi's mom had breast cancer fairly recently too, and it took her six months to get a mastectomy. But I partly blame her and her husband. She has a bit of dementia, and didn't quite understand what was going on. Also, she's stubborn and seems to dislike admitting she needs medical help. Plus, they live in a rural area where the best cancer healthcare isn't available, so it was a couple hours' drive to the hospital she needed, and so treatment was put off! Luckily she seems to be OK (so far).
I am worried, but also again the complicated feelings. I'm worried about Kiddo too. Death is hard to deal with.
If you're not close with her, and Kiddo isn't either, maybe it won't be so difficult for him.
I just haven't been feeling right lately, and between recovering from being sick and being unable to exercise much because of exhaustion and all this stuff going on, I just don't feel like me lately. The house is a mess and the to-do list is long and I'm not really feeling up to much. Not really wanting to connect with my partners the same way either, because I'm just tired and irritable.

My weight loss has stalled because I've been eating my feelings lately, which sucks. I haven't regained and I still want to lose about 50lbs more, but I guess I'm just having trouble focusing at the moment.
The struggle is real!
My coworkers haven't seen me since school was out in June and I guess I wanted the positive attention so I wore skinny jeans and a fitted top, and they all told me I look great. Which was nice, at least, but I still have work to do. Life is what it is and I don't want to go through this again, so I need to keep the weight off. After I had Kiddo, I lost 110lbs and I kept it off until my divorce got ugly. I don't want to yo-yo again. Not really being able to exercise has been so disheartening, because I worked so hard from December onwards, and I was doing it 4-6 times a week. Improved cardiac health, etc. Now? My cardiac health has gotten worse than it was before I started working out so it feels like I screwed it all up. I'm trying to get back on track but I just don't have the energy yet. My health app keeps telling me that I'm pushing too hard, and then I spend the next day in bed, so I guess I am. but I was only doing half an hour of an easy intensity video. Bleh.

I'm just plain tired, I guess. Feeling burnt out.
 
Thanks for the comments, Mags. Much appreciated!

I really do feel weird not inviting her solely because it's her birthday too but it will be good for Henry to check in with her and find out what she plans for her birthday anyway because maybe she wouldn't want to spend hers at a meta's party anyway, which is my hope. If if wasn't her birthday I would have invited her in the nature of being inclusive.

I agree Henry has lots of other options though, and hopefully we can figure this out so that there's a workable solution for everyone.
 
Who wants to share their birthday honors anyway? (I think even twins should get separate parties. lol) She probably wants her own special day as much as you do.
 
re: Birthday Plans

Or maybe, she's like me and doesn't give two hoots about her birthday...thinks it is just another day to be grateful to be alive, and would be thrilled to be invited to your party so she doesn't have to pretend to deal with it in any particular way (while having the excuse of not attending because she "has her own plans" - like binge-watching 'Stranger Things' alone). Just saying... :p :p

Also, in addition to not "celebrating" my birthday...I would never host a party, invite people to my house, etc. so this whole dilemma is extrodinarily foreign to me! SLeW always "invites" me to the parties that she hosts (knowing that I have zero interest in attending) - last weekend her husband turned 50, I have the PERFECT out - I offer to take her dogs off her hands so she doesn't need to corral them while she has people over... SO. MUCH. WIN. She doesn't have to worry about her dogs...I don't have to attend a social event...I get more dogs while getting credit for doing a favor! Everyone is HAPPY! (Don't get me wrong, she would be happy if I attended...but loves me enough that she understands that I love her even when I don't.)

JaneQ
 
re: Birthday Plans

Or maybe, she's like me and doesn't give two hoots about her birthday...thinks it is just another day to be grateful to be alive, and would be thrilled to be invited to your party so she doesn't have to pretend to deal with it in any particular way (while having the excuse of not attending because she "has her own plans" - like binge-watching 'Stranger Things' alone). Just saying... :p :p

Also, in addition to not "celebrating" my birthday...I would never host a party, invite people to my house, etc. so this whole dilemma is extrodinarily foreign to me! SLeW always "invites" me to the parties that she hosts (knowing that I have zero interest in attending) - last weekend her husband turned 50, I have the PERFECT out - I offer to take her dogs off her hands so she doesn't need to corral them while she has people over... SO. MUCH. WIN. She doesn't have to worry about her dogs...I don't have to attend a social event...I get more dogs while getting credit for doing a favor! Everyone is HAPPY! (Don't get me wrong, she would be happy if I attended...but loves me enough that she understands that I love her even when I don't.)

JaneQ

Also a possibility! And until I hear what she would normally do, I'm just guessing. So I'm trying to shelve the whole thing until then.

I love hosting parties, Jane! Always have. I hate the cleaning but I love the sense of offering people my hospitality and going over the top. Like the murder mystery party we hosted in the summer, I bought decorations to make a murder scene and we made a Mardi Gras theme appropriate menu as well. I would rather host than go to someone else's house because I know everyone so I feel less awkward, and I know the food which makes me feel more comfortable as a picky person, and I'm in my own space.

For my birthday I generally do a big open house all day on the nearest Saturday and people will come from up to several hours away to celebrate with me. We occasionally do a "thing" of some sort in the early afternoon like an escape room but other than that it's just lots of delicious food, birthday cake, board games, and hangouts. We also have a hot tub so people can use that as well. My house is small so it can get a little crowded but it's always been fun.


I feel like maybe I'm just stuck in my head a bunch lately, and that could be a Thing. Today was a bit disappointing. Henry and I haven't had a lot of quality time together lately because of fatigue, responsibilities etc and he had asked me if I wanted to spend time together today and have sex. I said sure! Then I found out he had to go out in the morning to pick up stuff from work even though he's off today, he had a couple of household errands to run, and had to go see Tina to help her get something set up before Open House at the local maker space and then he'd be hanging out with her in the evening.

I dunno, but suddenly I kind of felt shoe horned in rather than us having plans, especially since he tends to overbudget his energy and I figured something wasn't going to work out. And I just felt kind of deprioritized, even though I know that wasn't his intention. I try really hard to take a step back when there's stuff he wants to do (partners or otherwise) because I know our relationship can handle a ding or two but maybe other connections can't. And I just felt sad this time which doesn't exactly lead to wanting to be sexual. It was interesting, because when we discussed it, he pointed out that I bounce between him and Charles with no issues, and I asked him if that made him feel any sort of ways. He said no, and so he hadn't thought that I would, either- which is fair. I'm not really sure quite why I am feeling the way I am, so I'll have to sit with it for a while.

It felt like more of a confluence of things. He had a medical procedure yesterday which gets done regularly and tends to sap his energy a bit, and I always worry about him for a day or two afterwards. I guess I just had expectations that we'd have time to focus on each other and it felt like it kept getting munched back. He's also going to be spending the whole weekend with Tina so between work and household stuff we aren't getting much time in together. And I totally get that there have been many weeks that because of plans or fatigue he hasn't seen her at all so I have no problems with him going. I am making my own plans to order my favourite takeout and hang out with my son since Charles is working all weekend as well. But I just don't quite feel right.

Henry asked me if what I wanted was for him to budget the whole day for me when he wants to have sex and I said no, that's not really it either. I guess in this case it was more the feeling of all the little changes kept building up so I felt deprioritized? And maybe setting a clearer expectation of a time block would have worked better? I am not sure and I told him that I probably need to process it.

Am I envious of their whole weekend uninterrupted with household stuff? Yeah, that's probably part of it. But I mean that's just how life goes. We have a kid and there's always stuff on the to-do list. Blocks of uninterrupted time are at a premium. And also I'm glad he gets to have some downtime, because he needs it. After all, I got some with Charles this summer when we went to Cancun. And when we want time together, Charles will often babysit for us- but anything multiple day is generally not feasible because Charles has to work weekends.

I really don't know though. I'm thinking it's likely this is more stuff in my head than anything he's doing. When Charles and I were early in our relationship I had the sense he was arranging plans sometimes out of obligation and not because he wanted to and we worked though that- it was different communication patterns. But that really shouldn't be the issue with Henry. I know he wants to spend time with me. And he hasn't been NRE crazy or anything like that, although I know he's very happy with Tina and that's great because he deserves it. Depression is a bitch, after all.

This was kind of stream of consciousness. Not really sure if it's going to resolve much but I'll try.
 
Well, kind of a lot has been going on and finding the energy and time to write has been low on my list.

I've been finding myself angry and tired a lot lately, and that has sucked. I've been absolutely furious with Henry because he has let things slide around the house in terms of actual responsibilities, and that's not okay. We had a come to Jesus about that and I'm hoping that things will improve because that was an absolute dealbreaker. I don't care where he is or what he's doing but you can't leave critical responsibilities in the lurch, depression or not. He agreed, and he's been making a visible effort so far since then.

Kiddo has been having some mental health issues crop up, and that's been difficult. His psychiatrist is starting him on Prozac and we'll have to see how that goes. They want him to see a counselor but it's very difficult to find one at this current juncture when mental health services are far overtaxed. Most services only offer a few sessions and then say that's it, and he obviously wants to build a connection with someone. So we're at a bit of an impasse there but I'm still researching to see what I can find him. School has also been a big challenge since his bus is at 7:30am and that would be hard for anyone, let alone a 14 year old. He's been missing a lot of school despite every effort to get him up- he just goes back to sleep after he shuts off his multiple alarms each time, or if we come in there and physically get him up he closes the door to "get dressed" and goes back to sleep. His school is concerned and I don't blame them one bit. We are trying but it's one day at a time. He's missed a lot of school already.

Honestly, we are all having mental health issues right now so it's been really draining. Although I think I'm putting the cart before the horse a bit. So I know I've mentioned that Charles is currently seeing themself as genderfluid, and while it's given me a bit of anxiety/adjustment, I've been doing my best to be supportive. Henry mentioned the other day that it is completely unrelated but happens to coincide in space and time with Charles' journey... Henry has also been doing some explorations into gender. He's not really sure where this is going yet but he wanted to let me know that it was on his mind and he is planning to do some more self exploration. He's also just started Ozempic as well and looking for me to help guide him through the early bits of it and I'm glad for him and happy to help but I'm worn out.

And honestly, my brain just kind of exploded. I have a hard time with change, specifically open ended change that I have no control whatsoever about, and that is vague and non concrete so I can't even plan around it. And now both my partners are looking at potentially making some major changes and I don't know who they will be when they finish or how major the changes will be. Will they still want to be with me or will the new version of themselves want different things? And I mean that is totally possible when it comes to major self changes, to realize you want different things. Will I still like who they are? Will they have the characteristics that attracted me or will those change as well?

I find it really terrifying, honestly. What if I lose them both? The relationships I've had with these two partners have been the most meaningful and happy I've ever had and now it feels like it's all in flux. If it makes sense, it's not the gender issues I'm worried about. I have dated trans, nonbinary, and genderfluid people before. It's the change itself that worries me because I'm afraid of what will happen at the end. My ex husband, Mark, went through a major change and turned into someone unrecognizable and that was why we got divorced, ultimately. Well, he did cheat on me but it was the whole new persona and everything changed from his clothes to his diet to the way he talked and thought and I feel like it was all related to the cheating.

Charles has always identified as mono, but he told me a couple of days ago that he's got a profile on Bumble so he can chat with other genderfluid or transitioning people and make some new friends. But he used a specific term that he's used before to refer to potential dating prospects and I asked him about that and he says at this current juncture he's only looking for online chat and activity buddies but I mean we've all been there before. And with all the flux I find that really terrifying too. Mono person goes and starts meeting new shiny people? :(

Between that and I'm trying to do my best to support Kiddo through his mental health issues since that has to come first, helping Henry when he feels overwhelmed with all his stuff since he has a tendency to push through and overload and then break, and being there for Charles when he wants to talk about things? I'm feeling pretty exhausted and broken myself and I don't really have anyone I can talk to about this. Normally I'd be using my partners as sounding boards when I need an ear but for obvious reasons I'm not talking to each of them about the other's private issues. And a lot of my friends just don't really understand so it leaves me feeling pretty alone.

And honestly I might not blame them if they don't want to be around me at the moment. I'm stressed and exhausted and I have absolutely zero sex drive and when I am this miserable I mostly don't even like to be touched so I'm sure I'm not doing much need fulfillment at the moment beyond making sure the house isn't on fire.

I'm just trying to carve out a tiny little bit of time and energy for my own self care activities and finding it hard. I'm trying to get back into the swing of exercising again like I was before I got sick, but I've been struggling. Not even close to my previous 4-6 days a week and I know I lost a lot of muscle. And I'm trying to make time to learn Spanish as well but at the end of the day I'm pretty beat and just want to sleep. Which I can't always do anyway because of my sleep disorders, bleh.

Advice welcome.
 
Wow. What a weird coincidence that both of your partners are exploring how they identify gender-wise.

It's great that Charles can chat on Bumble about gender, but what about the partner of someone in transition? Sometimes we get left out. But there are resources for parents of kids who are trans or non-binary, gender non-identifying, and I haven't looked lately, but there must be partner support out there.

My partner pixi is technically a transwoman (although in many ways she's just a woman, was always femme, just got misassigned at birth). I have gradually realized I am non-binary. Back over ten years ago, pixi and I went to the Philadelphia Trans Health Convention twice. One year we attended a workshop for partners of transpeople. We were a bit of an anomaly. Most of the couples were ciswomen who had been partners with a lesbian who came to realize she was a guy, a transman. I was an outwardly cis woman with a transwoman. So the other couples had gone from being a lesbian couple to basically a straight couple, only often the cis woman still IDed as a lesbian, despite accepting her partner's actual identity as a man.

I'm sure there were couples there where the cis woman had been with a person she thought was also cis, a man, only for them to realize her partner was a woman. Sometimes couples break up over this, and sometimes it's fine and the couple stays together. I guess I'd ask my partners for reassurance.

Non-binary and gender-non-conforming as an identity was less of a thing back then, but it's really come to the fore with younger people now, elementary and high school age and older.

I'm sure there's a chance that someone who realizes their true gender might reject their current partner, for a number of reasons. I talked to one young non-binary person (early 20s) very recently who told me they used to be only attracted to women, but found themselves feeling more attracted to men, as well, since realizing what their own gender was.

As for me and pixi, when I met her she was still just barely identifying as male, but soon made the change to fully female, started hormones, came out, changed her name legally, etc. Her attraction to me, to women and to men seemed to stay exactly the same. She'd been pansexual all her adult life.

My ex husband, Mark, went through a major change and turned into someone unrecognizable and that was why we got divorced, ultimately. Well, he did cheat on me, but it was the whole new persona, and everything changed, from his clothes to his diet to the way he talked and thought, and I feel like it was all related to the cheating.

Pixi didn't changed in her clothes, except for dressing even more femme (she already had dressed on the femme side as much as possible since she was a little kid, carried a purse, wore her hair long, etc.), her diet stayed the same, the way she thought and talked stayed the same. Her sex drive did decrease, however. And it's common for transmen's sex drives to increase. In pixi's case I think it's exacerbated by her antidepressants as well.

However, she was the same person. She just felt less dysphoric and it actually made her feel much better and happier and become a better partner as a result. And since we are poly, I can find other partners for the sex I need.

Anyway, maybe you could ask around at LGBTQ+ orgs and see what's out there for support for partners of people who are transitioning. I am sure you'll find something.
 
Mags, I don't even really understand the whole nonbinary/genderfluid thing. I get that I don't have to understand because it's not about me, but it just doesn't make sense to my brain honestly. I think trans makes more sense to me because I can get the concept that you feel like you're the wrong gender. But I don't really get how that fluctuating makes sense. To me personality traits have nothing to do with gender so that doesn't make sense in my head. I don't get why people don't just do/wear whatever they want and how it's tied into gender and I'm sure there's something I'm just not understanding here but I really don't get it.

I don't know if either of them will be transitioning. I think they're both figuring out what they want and I suspect their journeys will be different as well.

I also feel like I can't talk to them about what I'm feeling because I don't want them to think I'm not supporting them or to feel awkward about sharing with me because they don't want to make me anxious. So I feel like I have nowhere to talk about how I feel. I'll look into your suggestion about resources though, thank you.

So yeah... just not great at the moment.
 
Yes, of course each of your partners' journeys will be unique. We are all unique.

Since I'm non-binary, I'll try to explain, at least how it feels to me. It's like a grey area. On one end is super masculine and on the other is super feminine.

So, Arnold Schwartzenegger on one side, Marilyn Monroe on the other. In between those types are more masculine women, like say, a tough rugby player, and then more femme men, like Mr Rogers or Kurt Cobain. And more in the middle are people who might like to wear a dress and a beard, or some who have a vagina and are slight and slender but dress in hoodies and have real short hair, feel very uncomfortable in dresses and refuse to wear them.

But there are so many ways of gender expressions. There are some people who ID as men but like to wear skirts. There are some people who ID as women but always wear a polo shirt and their shorts are always knee length.

Sometimes those butch lesbians realize they're men. And the femme men realize, oh wow, I am actually a woman. But sometimes they don't!

As for me, I wear dresses sometimes and other times I wear jeans and a button down and sneakers.

Of course, women can get away with wearing men's clothes, and that's been pretty acceptable since the 1940s. (It was a big no-no and often illegal until the 1930s.) But I've been known to wear an actual men's suit, tie, and shoes to formal events like weddings (mostly to queer weddings). However, I like to do that with a red lip and mascara.

But here's the thing for me. Sexually: I have a very strong sex drive. Greater than that of most women, I'd venture to say. And... I feel like I have an invisible penis. I use toys or fingers on my partners as if they are my penis. My partners can "feel" my penis. I'm versatile, a pitcher and a catcher.

And I'm pansexual and I can be very attracted to people who are in that grey area (although it's colorful :p), that androgynous area. It feels familiar to me. It feels comfy. I don't love the clear cut binary. Well, I especially don't like hyper masc men. I can be very attracted to like stereotypical pinup girls, burlesque queens, drag queens. So femme to the point they are almost mocking femininity. For athletic men, I like dancers, so strong and fit, but flexible, able to use their bodies in an artistic poetic emotional expressive way.

I remember reading about a certain European explorer who went to a Pacific Island back in the 17th century, and reported there weren't just men and women there. There were 36 genders. And I think that's natural and something our Western Christian culture has worked hard to suppress by force. We want it to be black and white. But it isn't. Pixi however, doesn't want to be seen as transfemme, or as androgynous. She wants to be firmly on the femme/female/woman end. And some transmen are always at the gym and so masc you would never ever guess they weren't born with a penis.

Then again, there are intersexed people who are born with ambiguous genitalia and they themselves don't know until they've done some growing if they feel more femme or more masc, or remain somewhere in between.
 
I think that's the part I don't understand though. Why is what you wear or do related to gender? I'm still the same ME no matter what im wearing or thinking or doing. None of those affect my me-ness. So the concept confuses me. Doesn't that simply reinforce the gender binary if clothes or behaviours can change your internal sense of who you are?

I am just very confused. I totally agree people should wear and do whatever they like and whatever they feel suits them. I just don't understand how gender plays into it.
 
The first thing people notice about you is your gender. The way they determine gender in adults is by beard and breasts. With kids, it's their clothing and hairstyle (since they don't have beards and breasts yet). So, if you feel like a woman you usually wear women's clothes, at least when you're a bit dressed up. It's obvious in our culture that men's and women's clothes are different, although not as different as they were before 1970, with the whole "unisex" look becoming popular.

Even women's casual "athleisure" wear is subtly different from mens, in colors and tightness of pants, and sneaker colors. You've noticed this, I'm sure.

Pixi works at a summer camp exclusively for trans and non-gender-norm children. The ones who ID as girls wear girl's clothing. You know, tshirts with unicorns, sparkles, pastel colors, leggings, short shorts, even high heels. The older girls tend to wear makeup and spend lots of time getting their hair just right. The boys wear boy's clothes, beiges and browns, baggier tshirts, cargo shorts, big sneakers, baseball caps. They usually have short hair. The ones who are non-binary tend to wear a combination of the two. Of course, it being 2023, anyone might have hair that is blue, purple, green or pink.

Looking at these kids, you'd never know they weren't cisgender, and how? Because of hairstyles and clothing.

(Many of the older kids, ages about 10 and up, are on hormone blocker meds to prevent periods, hips and breast growth in the boys, and the beards and bigger muscles and jaw sizes for the girls.)

What we wear affects how others perceive us. And kids, from the age of four or so, know how the gender binary works and what women wear and what men wear. Transkids who are forced to go to school in the wrong clothes, with the wrong hairstyle and backpack type, become depressed and even suicidal.

You ask why? It's just how society is! We dress to express ourselves, but also to fit in.
 
I guess the trans thing makes more sense to me than the fluid thing. It's hard for me to understand the shifting, honestly. Because it does seem different than just wearing feminine clothes. They've both done that already and that doesn't make me bat an eye because it's no big deal. But when someone is shifting who they are and I don't get it? It's scary.

I don't know. When I was a kid I was a tomboy. Lived in sweatpants and baggy T shirts. I still don't really wear makeup except for special occasions- never really learned how to do it properly. But I don't see myself as being different no matter what I'm wearing, I guess. I'm just me.

So what I hear from their changes is that they are NOT just them anymore... they're something different/new. I don't know.
 
I guess the trans thing makes more sense to me than the fluid thing. It's hard for me to understand the shifting, honestly. Because it does seem different than just wearing feminine clothes. They've both done that already and that doesn't make me bat an eye because it's no big deal. But when someone is shifting who they are and I don't get it? It's scary.

I don't know. When I was a kid I was a tomboy. Lived in sweatpants and baggy T shirts. I still don't really wear makeup except for special occasions- never really learned how to do it properly. But I don't see myself as being different no matter what I'm wearing, I guess. I'm just me.

So what I hear from their changes is that they are NOT just them anymore... they're something different/new. I don't know.
Well, the chances are, they are who they always were. They are just discovering or actualizing the parts they felt they had to suppress, the feminine things that society frowns on men having or expressing.

In this day and age, our Western culture is moving away from the strict binary that's been in place since the BCE days. At the time the Bible was written, there was an extreme form of patriarchy happening, and the binary was most suited to make that happen.

Of course, there were masculine women and feminine men in certain roles. There were some women who had businesses, and there were some men who were made eunuchs to watch over harems. Entertainers could always get away with more gender-bending, then as now. But as far as mainstreaming transgender or gender fluidity, the patriarchy found that very threatening. I believe the patriarchy hurts men as well as women. Not as much, but it's definitely there, that masculine pecking order. Now, with nerd culture happening because of technology, you don't have to be a big strong physically intimidating guy to survive. So that pressure is coming off.

I'm not sure if you've heard of the famous British comedian/actor/athlete/politician Eddie Izzard? They got their start in standup in the late 1980s and they came out at that time as a "transvestite." But not a drag queen. No. A person who had aspects of both male and female qualities as an important part of their identity who can "wear whatever the hell I want." A "male tomboy" was another word they used. "A bloke with a bit of girl tacked on."

As time marched on and understandings of gender developed, they began to ID as transgender. And now, in the past couple of years, in their late 50s, they feel most authentic as a woman, (she/her, but they/them or he/him acceptable). In private life, she is Suzy Izzard, stage name still Eddie. So, Suzy didn't change. To hear her speak onstage or in talk shows, she sounds like the exact same person, same thoughts, same politics, same sense of humor, same intelligence and interests. But her understanding of who she is has evolved, now that there is better language for it.

So, some people, like Eddie, get finally to one end of the binary. So did pixi. But I've always felt in between. It's just comfortable for me. I think that's the best way I can explain it. I've never wanted to go all the way to the male side! No way! I love my girly parts. But the stuff that feels male in me is just a natural part of me and I feel more authentic and fulfilled when I can express that too.
 
I don't know. I've never felt anything like that to be honest. I find physical attraction pretty low on my list of factors that make a person appealing, and I'm much more interested in what's inside the meat sack than anything to do with the rest of it.

Just feeling super low tonight. It's almost like everyone is speaking a language I just don't understand and I feel like it's going to be a barrier preventing me from connecting authentically because it just doesn't make sense to me and that must be my fault or I'm not trying hard enough but it just doesn't.
 
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