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Magdlyn

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if i remember correctly, a couple thousand years ago there were around 10 laws, some counties had up to 13

If you are referring to Israel, the Torah included 613 mitzvot (blessings). The Christians called them commandments and reduced them to 10 "important ones." One of the 613 was that men were required to marry the women they raped... to protect her, because obviously no good Jewish man would have her after she'd already had sex with someone else. She might be pregnant and he'd have to raise another man's child. So yes, even if she was engaged, she'd have to marry the rapist, and this was seen as a kindness.

Personally I like the mitzvah about carrying a trowel on your belt to bury your shit, because Yahweh (aka the Lord) walks in your camp.

Fast forward:

With the advent of Viagra, it's easier for women to rape... er.... sexually assault men. I read a story a year or so ago where a guy made the mistake of breaking and entering into a woman's apartment, either to rob her or rape her, I don't remember. But she was a black belt. She took him down, bound him to her radiator, went out shopping, got some Viagra (not sure where), forced him to take it, and had sex with him repeatedly, on her own terms.

Discuss amongst yourselves.
 

LovingRadiance

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Bg-I am not arguing that laws define right and wrong.
But people DO have different ideas on what is right and wrong. Frequently differences in law exist because of different opinions regarding right and wrong.

I already stated my opinion on whether it was ever right to take advantage of someone else's inebriation so as to con them into activities they wouldn't do sober.
 

ImaginaryIllusion

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But people DO have different ideas on what is right and wrong. Frequently differences in law exist because of different opinions regarding right and wrong.

Bingo!
Laws can influence, and reflect the cultural mores. As such, in a forum such as this, there will not necessarily be agreement of what constitutes right and wrong.


So again, lets dispense with various off-topic derailing of this thread shall we, before I have to get out my mod voice.
 

Natja

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The Christians called them commandments and reduced them to 10 "important ones.

Ermmm, no, the Ten sayings pre-date Christianity and are in the Torah (Exodus 20).

And the 613 were compiled in the Mishneh which is FAR from being 2000 years old. The Torah only says if a man entice a virgin to lie with him he shall marry her but her father can refuse the union. (This is to stop men from being Dawgs and bedding and leaving) the man would still have to pay the Bride price for a Virgin, regardless of whether he gets the Bride or not.
 

BoringGuy

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Africa like Egypt or Asia like Babylon, Assyria or Persia you mean?



No, those are all located in the Northwest Southern Middle East.
 

WhatHappened

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I read a story a year or so ago where a guy made the mistake of breaking and entering into a woman's apartment, either to rob her or rape her, I don't remember. But she was a black belt. She took him down, bound him to her radiator, went out shopping, got some Viagra (not sure where), forced him to take it, and had sex with him repeatedly, on her own terms.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

I'm not generally in favor of rape or sexual assault, but it's kind of hard not to think this guy had it com...comi...uh, coming to him. Is there another word I could use there? :confused:
 

Magdlyn

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Ermmm, no, the Ten sayings pre-date Christianity and are in the Torah (Exodus 20).

And the 613 were compiled in the Mishneh which is FAR from being 2000 years old. The Torah only says if a man entice a virgin to lie with him he shall marry her but her father can refuse the union. (This is to stop men from being Dawgs and bedding and leaving) the man would still have to pay the Bride price for a Virgin, regardless of whether he gets the Bride or not.

You misunderstood me and I'd correct that, but I guess it's off topic...
 

Marcus

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Mag said:
I read a story a year or so ago where a guy made the mistake of breaking and entering into a woman's apartment, either to rob her or rape her, I don't remember. But she was a black belt. She took him down, bound him to her radiator, went out shopping, got some Viagra (not sure where), forced him to take it, and had sex with him repeatedly, on her own terms.
I'm not generally in favor of rape or sexual assault, but it's kind of hard not to think this guy had it com...comi...uh, coming to him. Is there another word I could use there? :confused:

Kidnapping and rape is funny because he unsuccessfully robbed her?

If the genders were reversed does it still tickle your fucking funny bone? I'm 6'3" 260, strong, quick, and I know how to hurt someone if I need to... some chick tries to rob me, I catch her, handcuff her to the radiator, and ass fuck her until I'm done with her... that still a knee slapper? Did she have it com... comin.... gee what's the word for getting held down and raped while handcuffed to a fucking radiator?

We've got the "scream rape if you have a conversation you don't like" advocates on one side and the "tee hee, rape is a real gas" sickos on the other side.

And dirtiskillet is the problem?
 

BoringGuy

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And many of these stories you guys are alluding to are fiction posted by perverts who like watching people such as ourselves argue about this glurge so they can jerk off to it.

Anything sensational such as this original post, especially when cross-posted to reddit, should have its credibility taken with reservation. Even i go check out reddit when i need something new to read while masturbating; but at least when i post things like, "i walk around the house wearing my spouse's underpants, etc." it's the truth.
 

WhatHappened

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I see the IRONY in the tables being turned.

You don't like my humor, I don't like your crass language and apparent attitude that you are the Keeper of All True Knowledge and Correct Attitudes. C'est la vie.

BTW, I also see a huge difference in a man attacking a woman who is generally smaller, weaker, and less able to defend herself, and the concept of a woman attacking a 6'3" 260 pound man. I also see a difference in responding to attempted rape with (non-invasive) rape, vs responding to attempted robbery with invasive, anal rape. And quite frankly, in your example, I would also have LIMITED sympathy for an attacker having the tables turned on her. If you don't want to get attacked, maybe you shouldn't start something in the first place. That was the point. Too bad if you don't approve.
 

WhatHappened

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Because the body heals faster than the mind....I can't even believe you wrote something so crass.

I can't believe some of the stuff you write, either. I'm sorry, I see nothing at all crass about pointing out the fact that one is more physically traumatic and destructive than the other.
 

Natja

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I can't believe some of the stuff you write, either. I'm sorry, I see nothing at all crass about pointing out the fact that one is more physically traumatic and destructive than the other.

I am sorry you can't see the problem with it frankly.

You know when I was a little girl and I got smacked for bad behaviour I hated it and was SO resentful. However when I was a teen and got grounded for bad behaviour I practically begged for a smacking.

Bodies heal, emotional pain can last forever. Just saying you can 'see the difference' belies the original context which was indeed crass.

I have to agree with Marcus, Dirtclingon seems a little less crazy right now.
 

BrigidsDaughter

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it is fair, because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH AROUSAL so it IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING BEING WET IS CONSENT. THAT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL BULLSHITISM THAT IS BASED ON FALLACY BUT WORKS IN IVY LEAGUE PSYCHOLOGY DEBATES where facts and reality don't matter.

I am not asserting anything as ignorant as that republican comment about pregnancy and rape, that makes no sense even for an ivy league debate book. You sound like Franklin Veaux who says that educating women about situations that criminals look for in order to exploit, and that idiot calls that victim blaming,

I guess it makes sense to him, and I guessing from your assertion of what I said you can follow his line of reasoning?

I cannot

But you know it's funny such a fucked up logic is subscribe too, because by that logic, I shouldn't secure my network or enable a firewall because I am blaming the user for having his computer hacked/raped. And dipshit thinks what we really should be doing is solving the actual problem which is educating men why and how it's wrong to not hack into someone's computer without consent.

but how many people would tell me I was asking for it by surfing the web with no security in place in the known area hacker pieces of shit are known to exploit?

SO thank You BD, I couldn't put my finger on how that guy's philosophy was so far fucked, and ironic thing is he might be bright enough to understand the computer incident.I hope you know my hostility is due to the subject and not directed at you. Being seeing the difference in a woman's life knowing them before the assault took place, has left me angry that we still live in a rape culture where people could be as clueless of thinking educating women that certain situations should be avoided because there are men who will exploit said situations , because it happens every day in all across America, and there are minds so gripped by denial that they can honestly call that victim blaming.

I think I am seriously going to puke

but number one, so few women are perpetrators or rape because they are not under the influence of testosterone and they haven't been taught since history was recorded that they are superior and women as subordinate.

I will agree that a woman could sexually rape a man with a stick or a strap on, or non-sexually rape a man be forcing herself into the pages of a diary without permission, or hacking his computer , however in regards to rape as the crime is most commonly known, I might have trouble labeling a women inserting a man's erect penis into her, rape.

it is the violating of private space, mostly by penetration, I wouldn't consider a man sticking a woman's fingers in himself against her will rape, harassment or molestation or assault even. But it is not the same, and it has absolutely nothing to do with proving arousal being consent. A woman could completely desire sex and refuse it because the man is an asshole and it would still be rape if she didn't consent

I have a friend who as an adult was molested by a woman he happened to love, who thought that being in a relationship with him implied that he had to have sex with her whenever she wanted, regardless of what his personal opinion was. He'd been molested as a child in his sleep and never told anyone, so when his SO would start things in his sleep, he'd freakout internally, but not stop her, because society had conditioned him to believe that he couldn't be raped and that he wasn't a real man if he didn't perform on demand. He's in therapy now to deal with his trauma from being raped repeatedly throughout their relationship, but no one would believe that his ex raped him. I'm friends with her and I'd have never thought she was a rapist, but date rape is real and societal conditioning on both sides means that it happens much more than it is ever reported.
 

Magdlyn

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I almost always disagree with Marcus and it's no different this time. I also clearly saw the irony in the black belt turning the tables on her attacker, and saw the (admittedly sick) humor in the situation. So did many of my friends and family of all genders. Since rape is so much more common male on female, and women are generally so much weaker physically, it's kinda cool she knew self defense and was able to take him down and restrain him. Did raping him a few times go too far? Yes, of course. Still, there's something interesting there-- for myself, as a woman who basically lives in fear of rape every day (as all women must), it's a bit of a thrill. Street justice, if you will.

(And some won't, and that's OK.)

BTW, I was sexually molested twice: one guy attacked me on the street and only circumstances saved me. The other was date rape. Not even a date. An acquaintance offered to drive me home from a party and thought it would be cool to first drive me to an unfamiliar area and force himself on me. These incidents both happened when I was young, 19.

Who knows... maybe this woman was raped repeatedly and horrifically and many times in her past, and learned self defense just because of that! The guy who invaded her space may have paid for the crimes of someone else. Fair? No. But he was a shithead criminal himself!
 

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Natja

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Ah well yeah it's fine to rape crims I guess.....rape is a totally justified reaction to robbery. Wouldn't worry about rape and sexual exploitation in prison either because...again, they are criminals.

And criminals = inhuman scum.

Geddit...thanks.
 
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