Am I getting better or worse? (cheating wife)

DnC,

This is painful to read. I can't imagine what living it must be like. I know you love Nora, but to do so at your health's expense is simply not a sustainable thing. But, either you will come to this conclusion, or she will magically see what she's going to lose and seriously check herself. I wouldn't hold out for option 2, personally.

Love and many hugs coming your way. We'll be here to listen.
 
Just because you love someone doesn't mean that you should enable their self-destructive behaviour. This is what you are doing.

I believe that Nora does have a need to discover who she is, but not at the expense of your relationship, not at the expense of the person she claims to love. You are allowing her to create a pattern of lying and deceit in your relationship, because, as much as you may not want to admit it, this is part of your relationship. You have allowed yourself to become wrapped up in this whole situation. You talked to Maya, and spoke about her becoming a friend, but you are not building a good relationship with her. You are lying to her, too!

I don't mean to beat you up about this. I'm sure you must know much of what I'm saying.

I just see so many similarities in what Nora is doing, and what my ex did, that it's scary. Our relationship ended very badly. I still love him. but I never want to see him again. I think it is sad to have invested that much time and energy into a person that you can't stand to be around. I would even say that I hate him for the things he has done to me, and I don't use that term loosely.

I hope you and Nora can work things out in your relationship, so that both of your needs are being met, because it sounds as if yours aren't, and she feels no desire to help you to be happy in this marriage.

Hugs to you. Take care. You are strong and you will get through this.
 
I do love her enough to be totally commited to her happiness, at the sake of my own.

Uh oh. Think about that one for a moment. If you are truly doing this, it is time to back away, IMO. There should be, at the very least, a light at the end of the tunnel, days where you felt heard or understood, and moments (many!) where her actions reflect that.
 
Question regarding sex

I'm just trying to figure out my boundaries. I'm new to exploring if I, as a mono (for now) can make it work with my sort-of poly wife. I've reached a stumbling block. I'm incredibly attracted to Nora, and more so since she began sleeping with Nick, for whatever reason. I'm having trouble pursuing my attraction if I know she was with him right before me. Part of me says, "So what?" The other is a bit squicked. Thoughts?
 
Thank you all for your thoughtful and thought-provoking responses.

While I do bitch here about all the wrongs, I'm still only happy when I'm in her arms. I'm trying to distance myself on the cheating thing. For example, I didn't go out Tuesday when I knew Nick and Maya were there, but I did yesterday.

Nora and Nick's NRE is so time consuming. It's like, if I don't allow myself to be present at these events, I lose even more time with her.

I know our chances of survival are slim at this point. I'm just trying to push away the raw ugly emotions and enjoy what I can, when I can.
 
Are they fluid bonded?

When my ex was going to explore a sexual relationship with our friend who was stricly a lesbian, we all discussed a sort of boundaries. One was that I could not cum in her anymore because our friend was disgusted by cum and could smell/taste it a mile away, apparently.

I don't care if Redpepper just finished having sex with Polynerdist and then we get together. In fact, we've had threesomes, so that kind of thing doesn't bother me, specifically for PN. I have a bond with him that negates any negative thoughts of feelings about, "Someone else's penis was just where my mouth is about to go."

Part of it may reside in your dislike of Nick? Or a dislike of male sexuality?
 
Great points. I'm still hashing it out.

As for fluid bonded, they aren't sure about the first time. But she swears (at my insistence) that they use condoms.

I like Nick well enough. He is an old friend, and we get along as well as could be expected. As for me, Nora's my first female relationship. I've been a fan of the male body for a lifetime.

I just can't figure out why I'm squicked. Maybe it's pride/ego? I really don't know. It's bugging the heck out of me. Now that her time is split, I really need to get over it if I'm going to have any sort of life.
 
I understand the ick factor as well, unfortunately. For me, it directly relates to my level of compersion. More compersion, less ick.
 
Well, it's probably because of all the other shit around this relationship. Your body is telling you no, even if your head and heart are bending over backwards to try and make this mess all work.

Speaking personally, my gf Pixi and I are so tight, and we trust each other so much, she can share me directly with a lover (we've had one threeway), or enjoy my body immediately after I come home from a date, and either feel neutral about it, or actually titillated.

Her only boundary is I always use condoms with the men. She explains it's partly for health reasons, and partly just a little territorial thing.

Of course, I would always use them anyway, but she used to always ask me if I did after a date. It was kinda cute. 🥰
 
Level of compersion. More compersion, less ick.

Crap.

Well, it's probably because of all the other shit around this relationship. Your body is telling you no, even if your head and heart are bending over backwards to try and make this mess all work.

Interesting. That may be it. But if it were some passive-aggressive thing, why do I want to so bad/so often?

Cripes, this is so darn confusing.
 
If it were some passive-aggressive thing, why do I want to so bad/so often?

Not passive aggressive. That would be a conscious thing, i.e., denying her sex on purpose because she's been with him, but not giving her the real reason.

I think what Magdlyn means is one reason might be your subconscious trying to bitch slap the rest of you. Sort of a "DANGER! WARNING! This situation is not good for me!" which then shuts down your lady bits.
 
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@trucker - just for clarity, I'm female, married to female, who now has boyfriend.

The subconscious bitch slap sounds about right. It also feels kind of a pride thing, a "Why the hell do I wanna go there if he just did?" even though I REALLY REALLY want to.
 
Well, it's probably because of all the other shit around this relationship. Your body is telling you no, even if your head and heart are bending over backwards to try and make this mess all work.

I agree with Mags on this one. When we feel loved, appreciated, respected, the fact that our partner has been with someone else can be ultra hot, so hot that sometimes people want to actually see that and experience it with them. I think that by virtue of the fact that you have NOT been treated well, your sub-conscious is saying "NOOOOOOO! Get her away from you. She will hurt you more!" Listen to it, would be my suggestion.
 
I've just read through the whole thread. I feel sad for you. It seems like you are sacrificing so much of yourself and your happiness. I have no doubt Maya will put 2 and 2 together and discover it's your wife that her husband has been cheating with, and given that you have known about it the whole time, you will not only lose Nora, but Mays's friendship as well.

You really need to take care of yourself better. What I see from here is akin to a sacrificial lamb, and you deserve so much better!
 
Sigh... My ex-husband always put others first, and it would always bite him in the ass. And he'd end up resenting the people he "helped."

It's how he was raised. Jesus first, then others, then yourself (not that he's Christian anymore).

EVERYONE's feelings and needs matter. One has to take care of numero uno, you know. Otherwise you'll never have true happiness.
 
My ex-husband always puts others first, and then it would bite him in the ass.

It's how he was raised. Jesus first, then others, then yourself. But EVERYONE's feelings and needs matter. One has to take care of numero uno, you know. Otherwise you'll never have true happiness.
While I understand and agree with this, for the most part, I have to admit that I am also guilty of being #3 or #4 in the list of important people in my life. I put God first, but then comes my wife, then my kids (the order of those two depend on the situation at the time), then comes D, then S, then myself. So... Ummm... Yeah. I guess I'm fairly low on the totem pole.

As guys (or the male-acting part of a relationship), we are charged with having the higher responsibility of caring for everyone's happiness and well-being. It's a societal charge, but it is ours to take on, I guess. (Not that women CAN'T do it, just that traditionally men do it.)

Is it "right" to act this way? Well, some feminine types wouldn't know how to handle some of the responsibilities that the more masculine halves have to deal with. Would they do them? Maybe. Maybe not. Would the world come to an end? Nope.

Can I, as a man, simply shirk my responsibilities and make only myself happy? Well, I COULD, but then I would be sad anyway. Why? Because the ones I really care about are hurt. And often times, I actually care about them more than myself. I want my wife, kids, and friends to be happy. If it's at the expense of my OWN happiness, I'm ok with that, until it becomes apparent that they could not care less about whether or not I'm happy. Then I get hurt, and I lash out at them and make sure that I'm the happy one.

But in every relationship, there should be a give and take. It should be a symbiotic relationship. The moment it becomes all give and no take, or all take and no give, it turns into a parasitic relationship.

I know how I deal with parasites. How do you deal with them?

Dazed, it sounds like your other half is being a parasite. ;)
 
We almost had a good night. We went to see KISS with a group of my friends, my best friend and her hubby. They know about Nora, and she wasn't comfortable.

We wandered off and held each other like we used to. Awesomeness.

Then the inevitable. We were stuck in the lot trying to get out. She got a message from Nick that Maya wants to have a talk with him this weekend. I asked Nora, if they break up, is she leaving me?

In all fairness, I've asked this often, and always get, "You're my wife forever."

This time, she snapped at me. We argued, or sat in silence. We stopped for food. The fight got heated. I walked out and was halfway home before she caught up with me and drove the rest of way.

We hugged it out. She asked me to sleep in the master bed. I did.

Just another night with more Nick bullshit getting in the way.

Nora has a work event this afternoon, which I will attend. She's leaving early to go run, then have a date with Nick.

It's funny. I don't interrupt their time, but he's in my life every damn minute of every damn day.
 
While I understand and agree with this, for the most part, I have to admit that I am also guilty of being a #3 or #4 in the list of important people in my life. I put God first, then comes my wife, then my kids (these two depend on the situation at the time), then comes D, then S, then myself. I guess I'm fairly low on the totem pole.

Yeah. That's the exact same expression my ex-h used, except he said he was at the bottom.

My kids are young adults now, but of course, when they are little, their needs had to come first, because kids can't wait. But if a parent, male or female, doesn't at least attempt to meet their own basic needs, they will burn out and be lesser parents than they could be.

As guys (or the male-acting part of a relationship), we are charged with having the higher responsibility of caring for everyone's happiness and well-being. It's a societal charge, but it is ours to take on, I guess. (Not that women CAN'T do it, just that traditionally men do it.)

Really? I find it odd you feel this way. But I was a stay-at-home, breastfeeding, homeschooling mama.

My ex-h went to work and paid for our happiness, while I stayed home and made food, educated/entertained the kids, and made the holidays happen.
Can I, as a man, simply shirk my responsibilities and make only myself happy?
Where did I say make "only" yourself happy? I just said, make sure your own feelings are heard, and your own needs are met. EVERYONE's feelings are important. Not just "theirs." Yours, too.

Well, I COULD, but then I would be sad anyway. Why? Because the ones I really care about are hurt. And often times, I actually care about them more than myself. I want my wife, kids, and friends to be happy. If it's at the expense of my OWN happiness, I'm ok with that, until it becomes apparent that they could not care less about whether or not I'm happy. Then I get hurt, and I lash out at them and make sure that I'm the happy one.

There you go! That was my ex, exactly. He gives and gives and gives, and then doesn't feel "appreciated," and gets all resentful and passive aggressive. In fact, his present gf has now kicked him out of their apartment for this very behavior. And with our kids, this behavior of putting their need ALWAYS first becomes enabling and detrimental to their social development, not a benefit.

I got so frustrated with him over this. He'd do something, make a decision with me, act like he was fine with it, and months later let me know how I used him, and didn't care about him, when I just thought he was okay with whatever decision he made. Now that's one reason we are divorcing, and the main reason his gf has kicked him out!


But in every relationship, there should be give and take. It should be a symbiotic relationship. The moment it becomes all give and no take. or all take and no give, it turns into a parasitic relationship. I know how I deal with parasites.. How do you deal with them? Dazed, it sounds like your other half is being a parasite. ;)

Yes, low self-esteem will lead you to let your partner do things that you really aren't fine with, while gathering crumbs of her dwindling affection along the way.

NRE should never let you dis your primary. When I have NRE with a new partner, I always make sure I give my gf *extra* love and talks and dates. Not out of duty, but because her love supports my ability to be polyamorous, and to grow socially, and I love the heck out of her for supporting me like this.
 
NRE should never let you dis your primary. When I have NRE with a new partner, I always make sure I give my gf *extra* love and talks and dates. Not out of duty, either, but because her love supports my ability to be poly, and to grow socially, and I love the heck out of her for supporting me like this.
I totally agree with this. I knew I liked you. ;) You're well grounded, yet still free as a bird and open-minded. Just awesome.

I am experiencing NRE, even though I have known my gf for over two years now. We have been in a sexual relationship for at least a year and a half of it. The last 6 months or so though, there's been no sex between us. It has been more of a relationship-building time for us, to cultivate OUR relationship. But while doing this, I make sure to shower my wife with more love than ever. For without her, I would not, and could not be happy.
 
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