Covid-19

Where one gets their news from it appears to change on a daily basis. What hasn’t changed is the growing feeling that those responsible for this chaos need to be held accountable. When our muppet Prime Minister Trudeau was asked, “When are we going to start calling the Chinese leadership to account for the current crisis?" he replied, “Pointing the finger won’t help."

The muppet is a typical politician. Coward. I’m sure if his kids were assaulted he’d wanna know who did it and what the justice looked like. Like most of them, they’re up to their necks in political correctness. The biggest virus that’s currently being spread is fear.
 
Last edited:
Well, I sure hold pResident toddler tRump accountable for a large part of the "chaos" surrounding the way the pandemic is being dealt with in the US.

"There's nothing to fear but fear itself," is something a former war time president of ours once said. I think he exaggerated just a bit. I think it's okay to fear death of our loved ones or ourselves. Death isn't fun to deal with.

I don't give a shit where the virus started. I just want leaders of countries to act like responsible adults in dealing with the hand of cards we've got now. We need (much much much) more testing before we can safely "open up." We just can't be that "open" right now.

And if it's okay for older people to die and get out of the way, any old person (say, over 65) is welcome to off themselves out in a field somewhere. Right now. And if it starts with the cheeseball in chief, all the better. Covid or not, they can do that any old time they want. Never mind the grief of those left behind. </sarcasm font>
 
Magdlyn said:
I don't give a shit where the virus started. I just want leaders of countries to act like responsible adults in dealing with the hand of cards we've got now. We need (much much much) more testing before we can safely "open up." We just can't be that "open" right now.
Click to expand...

I have Trump on permanent "Ignore" and instead follow the daily comments of New York governor Andrew Cuomo to keep up with what's happening everywhere, not just in NY. Trump can't "open up" much of anything, the state governors have that power. To those outside the US, this country is based on federalism in which the states have dominion over themselves in large part. Trump can say a lot of things, but the daily lives of people usually come down to laws and edicts from the state government. To me, Trump is just a guy who is getting a few daily minutes on TV right now, not someone who is leading or running anything - and his White House Covid-19 Task Force is a joke (except for poor Dr. Fauci.) The state governors are the real leadership right now and it shows.

Live daily news conferences.
 
Last edited:
I'm sure if anybody's child was assaulted they'd want to tend to their child first and worry about who did it later. There is plenty of time to place blame later. Placing blame is not going to make a vaccine materialize. Placing blame is not going to make a treatment materialize.
 
Honorablepirate said:
So age and and chronic illness are justifiable crimes punishable by death?
Click to expand...

Apparently, in some circles, older people are more than willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the economy! Or so they say. :rolleyes:

I'm 64. I'm not willing to make that sacrifice right now. Just sayin.' I've got a 42 year old partner (we've been together 11 years and she kinda likes me), and family and friends who would miss me a bit too.

But any old farts who are unloved, just in the way, and are considered toxic, unpleasant and narcissistic, well, they can go out and mingle with the masses and catch the Covid 19 if they really want to. That's their choice.

It's not mine, though, tyvm.
 
Now is really not the time to put Trump on ignore. Shit's about to get real.

With a big hot spot in Detroit, and Michigan having the third highest death toll, their governor issued a very strict stay at home order. Obviously this doesn't fit the Trump narrative of "everything is fine and dandy". Trump referred to Gretchen Whitmer as "that woman".

Two days ago there was a protest against those social distancing guidelines. It was supposed to be perceived as citizens being fed up with staying at home when we shouldn't have to because everything is all hunky dory. It turns out the demonstration was organized by a conservative group with close ties to the DeVoss family.

It was no coincidence this happened the day before Trump announced his plan that is not a plan to open up the USA. He even came up with a catchy slogan. Opening Up America Again. Even my mother kept asking why Pence kept saying again. Never in our lifetimes have we ever had to open up America, so there is no "Again".

LIBERATE MICHIGAN!

LIBERATE MINNESOTA!

LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!

Those were all tweeted by Trump today. It's no coincidence those States have Democratic Governors. Those Democratic Governors have all been elected after Trump took office. Trump won those States before. He knows he is in danger of losing them now. That is why he is provoking civil unrest.

Everything Trump does is with an eye on the prize of re-election. Please pay attention.
 
Last edited:
I am really sad and concerned for the States and the bipartisanship that's destroying it. Trump's narcissism, and the mindset of those who think he's wonderful, terrify me. So many people are sick and dying of Covid19. Not old age, not underlying conditions, but of Covid.

Puck has told me that the Ohio governor, despite being Republican, has taken a fairly aggressive lockdown stance, but I saw there were even protests there. This is nuts.

I know my 5mil population island nation isn't comparable, but our stats do show what happens when the vast majority of people toe the line. Under 1500 cases, under 15 deaths, single digit increase in cases yesterday. It could have been the opposite if we had different leadership, or worse, a different national mindset that lets people die. I wish I didn't have to see those ridiculous sentiments here, I'm disgusted. Human life is worth more than a dollar figure and nearly wiping our a generation would (and will, by say, Italy) be felt in more profound ways than the government wallet. I'm so grateful that my parents' retirement village had such major restrictions so quickly, no one there has contracted it. It actually seems that only two rest homes in the entire country have cases. I'm grateful to live in a country who have the mindset he waka eke noa, we're all in this together (no matter who we vote for).
 
vinsanity0 said:
Now is really not the time to put Trump on ignore.

Everything Trump does is with an eye on the prize of re-election. Please pay attention.
Click to expand...

Everything he's ever done is with an eye toward re-election. This is just more of the same. By "ignore," I mean that unless you're going to get out there and actually do some political work (and not just post about stuff on social media and forums and other opinion collection sites) then there's no point in allowing this person to divide the America that I know, to allow him to divide me from people I love and from regions of this country that I love. I will not buy into his divisive and inaccurate view of the people of this country. I live and love among many Liberal Democrats who believe in what I believe in. I also live and love among many committed Republicans (some of whom are Trump supporters, many of whom are not) and they are people. Nothing he says can change my respect for them. Hence: the ignore button.
 
Evie said:
I saw there were even protests there.
Click to expand...

Possibly there are protests, but they are micro-isolated incidents and so not the norm here. New York is by far the hardest hit state (by faaaar) and there's nothing even approaching a protest here. We have 20 million people packed into 30 square miles around the city and the mass cooperation is breathtaking. Have you seen the footage of Manhattan on YouTube? That is LOVE. If you want to focus on something real, focus on the massive cooperation that is happening over here. It's amazing in an enormous and diverse country that prides itself on individualism. I don't know what the media is showing you there, but to be here in the middle of a massive outbreak and see the cooperation in curbing this - it's nothing short of phenomenal and the very embodiment of love for others. This is LOVE.
 
Last edited:
vinsanity0 said:
LIBERATE MICHIGAN!

LIBERATE MINNESOTA!

LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!

Those were all tweeted by Trump today. It's no coincidence those States have Democratic Governors. Those Democratic Governors have all been elected after Trump took office. Trump won those States before. He knows he is in danger of losing them now. That is why he is provoking civil unrest.
Click to expand...

He's not provoking civil unrest, he's just mouthing off. There's no civil unrest of any consequence regarding his comments. However, there is a measured, smart and accurate response to his comments. He can tweet whatever inanities he chooses, but his power to provoke is waning - fast.

From the clip: "(New York Governor) Cuomo has emerged as this country's de facto leader during this time. Positioning oneself against the man with an 87% approval rating (Cuomo) probably isn't the move here."
 
Last edited:
I live in a town that is mostly Republican. Parks are packed. Stores are crowded (they do their best to maintain social distancing, but people often ignore it). Businesses toe the line to remain open (ignoring the essential business guidelines and focusing on number of people shopping at once instead). It honestly makes me ragey. 15 miles away is the care facility hit hardest in the state, but people don't think it matters to them and curse the governor for closing schools and making work from home the norm.

There has been at least one event/protest in my town. Signs to reopen America, large (by today's standards- around 50 people) group huddled together, etc. It is happening. It may not be the norm across the states, but it is happening. The Midwest town my mom lives in also has people openly mocking any efforts to flatten the curve. My parents are conservative trump voters (they don't like him but will NEVER vote democrat), and they are disgusted with people who claim to value human life so much increasing such a blatant threat to it by staging gatherings these days and ignoring common sense safety measures.
 
FallenAngelina said:
He's not provoking civil unrest, he's just mouthing off. There's no civil unrest of any consequence regarding his comments. However, there is a measured, smart and accurate response to his comments. He can tweet whatever inanities he chooses, but his power to provoke is waning - fast.

From the clip: "(New York Governor) Cuomo has emerged as this country's de facto leader during this time. Positioning oneself against the man with an 87% approval rating (Cuomo) probably isn't the move here."
Click to expand...

Sorry, not sorry. I can't stick my head in the sand like that. There are armed protesters. Trump knows exactly what he is doing and it's not just mouthing off. There are Trump rallies disguised as protests happening all across the country. Just because it's not happening in NYC means nothing. I don't think you realize that this is a cult we are dealing with here. Karen, you know I am not an alarmist. I'm in the other Covid thread telling River we aren't all going to starve to death. This is different. There is something seriously not right here.
 
vinsanity0 said:
Sorry, not sorry. I can't stick my head in the sand like that.
Click to expand...
I don't call my stance sticking my head in the stand, it's making the choice to not buy into that particular version of the United States of America. So, what are you doing about it? Simply posting opinions on social media isn't any kind of helpful political action.
 
apexcone said:
Please listen to anything you can by Dr Shiva Ayyadurai, particularly his take on Dr Fauci.
Click to expand...

Oh, wow! This is seriously the most asinine thing that I have seen in a long, long time (including the Bad Orange Man's press briefings).

P.S. (spoiler alert) apparently HIV does not cause AIDS, and it's pretty much downhill from there! :eek:
 
FallenAngelina said:
I don't call my stance sticking my head in the stand, it's making the choice to not buy into that particular version of the United States of America. So, what are you doing about it? Simply posting opinions on social media isn't any kind of helpful political action.
Click to expand...

I helped organize the local PDA chapter, for one thing. I'm very active in my local community. I volunteer for campaigns. I harass my Senators. lol

Your choice is part of the problem.

ETA: I think you underestimate the power of social media. Without it a game show host would have never been elected president.
 
Last edited:
I can't believe they're opening beaches, etc., again this weekend. If I were you, I would not be going out on picnics or driving to take long walks. It is completely irresponsible. Walking through the park is okay. Staying in the park eating and drinking food for a date out with a partner or your family is completely irresponsible.
 
vinsanity0 said:
I think you underestimate the power of social media. Without it a game show host would have never been elected president.
Click to expand...
Neither would have Obama. He was the first to come out of nowhere and harness its power. Social media claptrap is here to stay, but social media was only one factor in 2016. Trump won because his handlers understood how to work the Electoral College better than did the Clinton campaign. Let's not forget that he lost the popular vote by 3 million. He might occupy the White House for now, but he does not have majority approval and never did.

Call me part of the problem if you like, but I see no problem with choosing intelligent, calm respect over buying into divisiveness and finger pointing. I'm happy with my daily updates from Governor Cuomo and promoting not only his information, but his brand of governance. I'll put my efforts into the kind of political discourse that benefits, uplifts and informs this country, the kind of leadership that I support.
 
Last edited:
JaneQSmythe said:
Oh, Wow! This is seriously the most asinine thing that I have seen in a long, long time (including The Bad Orange Man's press briefings). P.S. (spoiler alert) apparently HIV does not cause AIDS, and it's pretty much downhill from there!
Click to expand...

My personal favorite was how there aren't diseases in tropical areas because of the sun.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top