Polyamory + Aging = Loneliness?

Not sure how much advice I could give, but as a general observation I found much of that list to be very similar to my brothers problems and he isn't that old and is not Poly. The longer you wait to make a long term commitment to one person, whether it be a poly commitment or standard one, the more lonely you get for many if the same reasons you mentioned. Good luck to you
 
However, until I got to the end of your post I assumed you were in your 50s/60s...are you telling me you're only in your 30s???? All this talk about aging and ending up alone...really???

I agree. I think it's too soon to feel left out of the love pool. Most poly people I know are older than me, and I'm 43.
 
Shipwrecked

I really enjoyed your post; a very thoughtful look at the potential downsides of polyamory. So much of what I've read about it is written by poly practitioners/advocates. It's like trying to find out how good a make of car is by talking to the car salesman. As an old person, I think much of what you say is true of anyone with age, regardless of their relationship orientation. Our choices get limited in many ways, and people tend to hunker down into some configuration as they age and stay there until the end. We're less open to change, unfortunately, and opportunities dry up. I think age needs to be re-defined like relationships, and looked at outside the usual box our culture puts it in. You're alive until you die. Live that way
 
Shipwrecked, I have to say you've brought some wisdom to the table with your post. You don't seem depressed to me...simply realistic. What I really liked was your analytical approach about the decline of certain groups over time and tendencies towards monogamy.

As a 42 year-old with a 20 year-old primary, I can tell you, what you're saying rings true. Of course, dating in your age range does help, but that's only one factor. Attractiveness is more than outward appearance, but outward appearance is indeed a major factor at the attraction stage.

I didn't see this as an assassination of polyamory, simply realism.
 
Second on OK Cupid. I found a date within 2 weeks, and while we're no longer seeing each other, we remain friends. And it never hurts to have more friends.
 
In my area, OKCupid and Plenty of Fish aren't too great, but that's only because of the selection pool. Your area might be great. Tinder is more of a hookup app, but it's very age-centric in the extreme.
 
This super-old thread was probably brought to my attention by spam or something, but I found the initial post worth reading and thinking about, so I'll just resurrect it!
 
How old are you?

Attitude is everything. I first embraced poly shortly after turning 50, as I hadn't really ever heard about it until shortly before that. I am certainly not going to dwell on how much more rough poly is when "aging." I have noticed, of course, how much less attention I get as an older, plus-sized woman than I used to as a hot young thing. But I fucked a lot of losers when I was young. Now I go for quality. I don't want just sex, I want loving connections, and those are harder to find for most everyone, poly or mono, young or old. Dating sucks whether poly or mono, young or old. Less of a selection when you're older, but still sucks.

I look at it all as an adventure and try to be as positive-minded as I can. I actually do enjoy going on a date with someone new, getting to know another human being - if it doesn't lead to a relationship, that's okay. If and when I get to know someone I want to give my heart to, I still will give it, and chalk up loss as part of the process and something that has a lesson in it.

Always moving forward...
I love this reply. I usually fail to see the positives in a situation and wind up pulling myself down in the process. I’m an older woman who used to be considerably plus sized. I never had trouble finding dates when younger and larger. I lament that it took me until my mid 50’s to fit my big butt into a size 8 pair of jeans but that’s a whole other issue lol. I’m definitely lonelier now than before but I know that a large part of that is the fact that I have no tolerance for BS as I get older. Also, losing my husband made the bar higher for any other potential partners. Luckily my secondary is still my nesting partner so I’m not truly alone.
 
This super-old thread was probably brought to my attention by spam or something, but I found the initial post worth reading and thinking about, so I'll just resurrect it!
Thank you
 
I love this! I am 50, have two local partners who are part time. One is married, one is always going to be solo poly. I am lonely and would love to find a NP/long term partner who is more full time. It has been rough going-- I have a blog and have been sharing my experiences.

One of my obstacles has been finding a person at my age who is serious about settling down. Many are players, even if they initially present as someone who wants a full-time relationship. Some just don't know themselves well.

Still looking. However, I am blessed with my partners I have. They are supportive and loving. I am learning to be okay with being perhaps "alone" full time, as my own partner, and enjoying my part-time partners as I can.
 
I think I resurrected this post, trying to post my reply to the original post on Wednesday. For some reason it doesn't show here anymore, so I will repost...

I want to thank you, @Shipwrecked, for this post. Unfortunately I found this post because I have experienced most of these exact problems. I have been in many long-term, monogamous relationships, but have also spent about 10 years (scattered across 3 time periods) in polyamorous relationships of different configurations, and I have concluded that YES, polyamory is a very high risk factor for women, and if I could go back, I would have avoided almost all of my polyamorous relationships.

I was not in it for sexual purposes (though I am a big fan of sex, and kink, and think people need to seriously RELAX about other people being ethical sluts!). I am a demisexual, someone for whom real emotional connection is paramount (and almost always required for me to be interested in someone sexually). Reliable, unconditional love is what I want more than anything. I too got greedy, like Aesop's dog, and wanted THAT - real, deep, fully connected, intimate love - from more than one person. I thought multiplying my partners would multiply the chance that I would find that happiness, and therefore a life partner, but was not thinking about (and/or wasn't aware of) the many threats to that model.

I agree: if you're young and hot-enough, play that game as long as it's fun, and you're taking time to slow down and conscientiously possible long-term outcomes. Because I agree that the not-fun-ness (or The Dark Side of Polyamory) can be insidiously unclear. The lying-to-themselves problem happens consistently with poly men, even with the therapist I dated for two years, who dumped me when I became disabled and he found a new girlfriend who could go out and do more social things. He certainly spoke and presented like he loved me unconditionally, but it turns out there were TONS of conditions. As a 47-year-old disabled woman, I am functionally invisible to potential partners (and I won't even get into the ableism in that breakup). My ex is now dating a woman 17 years younger than him. Because he can. He looks his age, I look young for my age (I am consistently told by humans and Google's age-determination-from-photo technology). Yet he's a hot commodity, and I'm chopped liver.

Which brings me to one additional factor to consider: the pool of men who opt for non-monogamy tend to include a higher percentage of CREEPS, WEIRDOS, SEX PESTS, ABUSERS and MISCREANTS. Just.. I promise. Polyamorous men are more likely to smell weird than your average guy, you know what I mean? Like, that or SOMETHING like that. Such as owning a didgeridoo (while NOT being an indigenous Australian), or being into practicing one of the more embarrassing circus arts, or truly considers a bunch of birds to be his "family"... not all deal-breakers by any means... but you're in a certain realm of humans that does not reflect the average population.


You don't need to check, it's true. I did SO much research in the last 5 years... and was date raped for my trouble. And sent first messages full of unwanted sexual content. And surprise dick pics after trusting someone enough to exchange phone numbers. And being scolded for not sending photos of my genitals to someone before we had met in person, on literally the first day we had connected. And being ghosted repeatedly. It was MURDER on my self-esteem, and just made me upset about the state of humanity, but I, 1) just KEPT blaming myself, and/or 2) just KEPT TRYING, giving more and more people chances, instead of realizing I was fighting a losing battle (The Dark Side of Nevertheless, She Persisted 😆+🙄+😓). And just think about the numbers: many of the good guys get partnered up and stay that way. The longer you mess around with your life and your future (how I see polyamory now), the higher your risks of winding up lonely. You are dating the dregs. Of course there must be absolute gems in there, but realize that they will be fewer and farther between the longer (AND older you are when) you choose polyamorous dating.

I want to clearly state that this has been my experience dating hetero cis men. I have met far more high-quality females in my poly circles than men. So I am only speaking from my experience. And I went on first and second dates with guys who seemed great, we just weren't a match... but compared to when I have been seeking men who were seeking monogamy, even the seemingly-best of the pool is hilariously disappointing.

Another factor to consider is how long someone has been polyamorous. With it becoming so trendy recently, there are a lot of newbs. And they might PWN your heart through selfishness and ignorance and not thinking hard or reading much before deciding to TRY polyamory. You are in an experiment, whether these dudes know it or not. That's a very bad place to be. I've found that their moment of revelation is likely to come when their face is buried in someone else's pink parts. Good women get REPLACED really, really often, because these men do not know how to distinguish NRE (New Relationship Energy) from The Truth; they've never practiced, and instead of talking to you about how they are feeling, they are likely to hide it from you to keep things convenient or desire-fulfilling for them. I recommend not dating anyone who has been polyamorous less than 3 years. Minimum, seriously. Polyamory has a learning curve, and it involves examining one's own identity and role in the world; not everyone does a lot of introspection, and some people introspect in a self-serving, dishonest manner. Sorry to say it, but I think I can say 'especially men' without being off-base. Not all men of course, just MORE men than women exhibit this behavior.

My advice to young people: enjoy life how you want to, but make a point of occasionally trying to examine your life and make the most cynical assessments you can. Not that those are fully right, but see where the doubts lead. One of my happiest friends actually makes time every new year to look back at the year passing, and the year ahead. I recommend journaling during this process, or being alone in nature, or letting your thoughts percolate while you do something joyous, like dancing. Listen to your gut. It will tell you hard truths. My main regret in life is not taking my gut instincts seriously enough.

If you have a partner now, whether monogamous or polyamorous, think about it like you're just meeting the two of you as a couple... what do you see after taking off the rose-colored glasses? Ask your friends and family for their honest opinions of this partner and the two of you together. Plead with them not to avoid uncomfortable conversation, as your early decisions about relationships have more repercussions than you're able to know now that you should even be thinking about, I promise. Including others not wanting to date you later, as mentioned above, because they will think you aren't capable of monogamy. Similarly, when I've made the mistake of telling newer acquaintances casually about my "sex friend," the response isn't usually laughter and delight like with my poly friends... it's usually the other person becoming visibly, instantly uncomfortable.

I am not judgmental about people choosing polyamory, even though I've decided that's not for me anymore. I am pro-fun, pro-getting your dopamine in whatever ethical way you desire, pro-adventure, pro-experimentation. But don't kid yourself into thinking there's no downside. That includes not having enough time to pursue your own non-age-dependent pursuits, which is SO important as you age. Hang onto your identity! Develop a rich inner life, practice your hobbies, relish and tend to your friends and family, try new things, etc. I wish I had known then what I know now. Think about what would make you happy if you suddenly can't leave your home without having to endure plenty of pain and unbelievable hassles... because it happened to me, and it could happen to you, at any age. And in this society, for women, JUST the experience of aging can be akin to developing a stigmatized disability.


Love and luck to all 🤍
 
Personally, I'd prefer being alive and alone, compared to dying young. Big difference. Of course I should clarify that I don't believe there's any afterlife.
 
ninjin, I am the mod who deleted your post, because it did come through oddly formatted, and since it was your first post, it seemed off, and possibly spam. I'm glad you tried again. :)
 
Unfortunately, I found this post because I have experienced most of these exact problems. I have been in many long-term, monogamous relationships, but have also spent about 10 years (scattered across 3 time periods) in polyamorous relationships of different configurations, and I have concluded that YES, polyamory is a very high risk factor for women, and if I could go back, I would have avoided almost all of my polyamorous relationships.

HI Ninjin, and welcome to the forum.

Were you married in any of the long-term mono relationships?
Was the reason for leaving related to needing/wanting more?

I thought multiplying my partners would multiply the chance that I would find that happiness, and therefore a life partner, but was not thinking about (and/or wasn't aware of) the many threats to that model.
To me, that sounds like a reasonable and logical thought process/model. Are you saying you didn’t see the risks or threats, or that they aren’t properly listed by the greater community, or they’re glossed over?

Which brings me to one additional factor to consider: the pool of men who opt for non-monogamy tend to include a higher percentage of CREEPS, WEIRDOS, SEX PESTS, ABUSERS and MISCREANTS. I promise, polyamorous men are more likely to smell weird than your average guy. You know what I mean? SOMETHING like that, such as owning a didgeridoo (while NOT being an indigenous Australian), or being into practicing one of the more embarrassing circus arts, or truly considering a bunch of birds to be his "family"... not all deal-breakers by any means, but you're in a certain realm of humans that does not reflect the average population.
I think that’s a function of being in a nonconformist nonjudgmental club. That, and what better place to hunt/abuse and hide than in the poly kinky crowd?

Just for fun, what’s an embarrassing circus art?

You don't need to check, it's true. I did SO much research in the last 5 years, and was date raped for my trouble.
I'm so sorry this happened. Did you report it?

And sent first messages full of unwanted sexual content. And surprise dick pics after trusting someone enough to exchange phone numbers. And being scolded for not sending photos of my genitals to someone before we had met in person, on literally the first day we had connected. And being ghosted repeatedly. It was MURDER on my self-esteem, and just made me upset about the state of humanity, but I, 1) just KEPT blaming myself, and/or 2) just KEPT TRYING, giving more and more people chances, instead of realizing I was fighting a losing battle (The dark side of "Nevertheless, She Persisted" 😆+🙄+😓). And just think about the numbers: many of the good guys get partnered up and stay that way. The longer you mess around with your life and your future (how I see polyamory now), the higher your risks of winding up lonely. You are dating the dregs. Of course, there must be absolute gems in there, but realize that they will be fewer and farther between, the longer (and older you are when) you choose polyamorous dating.
I have lots of thoughts on this.
1) Whose perception is wrong here? Are the creeps and sex pests filling voids when the recently married mono females with young children need some variety and escapism? That crass and crude approach must work on a segment of that pool, right?
2) Isn’t the whole subtext of non-monogamous, non-hierarchical relationships, in the general sense, about being in the moment and staying off the relationship escalator? It’s sort of built on less permanence. I’ve heard many times within the poly community that relationship success isn’t measured in time or longevity, and that a two-month relationship that ended mutually was more successful, happy, or loving than a two-year relationship that ended badly. How many people would it take to have that temporary, transient mindset taint the dating pool?

I want to clearly state that this has been my experience dating hetero cis men. I have met far more high-quality females in my poly circles than men. So I am only speaking from my experience. I went on first and second dates with guys who seemed great, we just weren't a match. But compared to when I have been seeking men who were seeking monogamy, even the seemingly-best of the pool is hilariously disappointing.
Any thought to as why this is? Are they giving up and dropping out?
Another factor to consider is how long someone has been polyamorous. With it becoming so trendy recently, there are a lot of newbs. And they might PWN your heart through selfishness and ignorance, and not thinking hard, or reading much before deciding to try polyamory. You are in an experiment, whether these dudes know it or not. That's a very bad place to be. I've found that their moment of revelation is likely to come when their face is buried in someone else's pink parts. Good women get replaced really, really often, because these men do not know how to distinguish NRE (new relationship energy) from The Truth. They've never practiced, and instead of talking to you about how they are feeling, they are likely to hide it from you to keep things convenient or desire-fulfilling for them. I recommend not dating anyone who has been polyamorous less than three years, minimum, seriously. Polyamory has a learning curve, and it involves examining one's own identity and role in the world; not everyone does a lot of introspection, and some people introspect in a self-serving, dishonest manner. Sorry to say it, but I think I can say 'especially men' without being off-base. Not all men, of course, just MORE men than women exhibit this behavior.
I won’t defend men, but I wonder if the same thing happens to poly-bombed mono husband hanging on in a poly/mono relationship where his wife's NRE is running high? I wonder how many good people are replaced as a consequence of NRE.
My advice to young people: enjoy life as you want, but make a point of occasionally trying to examine your life and make the most cynical assessments you can. Not that those are fully right, but see where the doubts lead. One of my happiest friends actually makes time every new year to look back at the year passing, and the year ahead. I recommend journaling during this process, or being alone in nature, or letting your thoughts percolate while you do something joyous, like dancing. Listen to your gut. It will tell you hard truths. My main regret in life is not taking my gut instincts seriously enough.
How often do you think you ignored your gut?
Did you practice behavior-mod techniques or psych-hack things to push down, rationalize, compartmentalize or quell negative thoughts or emotions?
If you have a partner now, whether monogamous or polyamorous, think about it like you're just meeting the two of you as a couple... What do you see after taking off the rose-colored glasses? Ask your friends and family for their honest opinions of this partner and the two of you together. Plead with them not to avoid uncomfortable conversations, as your early decisions about relationships have more repercussions than you're able to know now that you should even be thinking about, I promise. Including others not wanting to date you later, as mentioned above, because they will think you aren't capable of monogamy. Similarly, when I've made the mistake of telling newer acquaintances casually about my "sex friend," the response isn't usually laughter and delight like with my poly friends. It's usually the other person becoming visibly, instantly uncomfortable.
I don’t think I have any friends or family qualified to judge/render an opinion on anyone else’s life or decisions. Just sayin.'

I am not judgmental about people choosing polyamory, even though I've decided that it's not for me anymore. I am pro-fun, pro-getting your dopamine in whatever ethical way you desire, pro-adventure, pro-experimentation. But don't kid yourself into thinking there's no downside. That includes not having enough time to pursue your own non-age-dependent pursuits, which is SO important as you age. Hang onto your identity! Develop a rich inner life, practice your hobbies, relish and tend to your friends and family, try new things, etc. I wish I had known then what I know now. Think about what would make you happy if you suddenly can't leave your home without having to endure plenty of pain and unbelievable hassles... because it happened to me, and it could happen to you, at any age. And in this society, for women, JUST the experience of aging can be akin to developing a stigmatized disability.
So what I hear you saying is MAYBE chasing the dopamine hit, or rather, the time invested, might have been better invested building something more permanent?

Love and luck to all.🤍
To you, as well!
 
I think I resurrected this post, trying to post my reply to the original post on Wednesday. For some reason it doesn't show here anymore, so I will repost...

I want to thank you, @Shipwrecked, for this post. Unfortunately I found this post because I have experienced most of these exact problems. I have been in many long-term, monogamous relationships, but have also spent about 10 years (scattered across 3 time periods) in polyamorous relationships of different configurations, and I have concluded that YES, polyamory is a very high risk factor for women, and if I could go back, I would have avoided almost all of my polyamorous relationships.

I was not in it for sexual purposes (though I am a big fan of sex, and kink, and think people need to seriously RELAX about other people being ethical sluts!). I am a demisexual, someone for whom real emotional connection is paramount (and almost always required for me to be interested in someone sexually). Reliable, unconditional love is what I want more than anything. I too got greedy, like Aesop's dog, and wanted THAT - real, deep, fully connected, intimate love - from more than one person. I thought multiplying my partners would multiply the chance that I would find that happiness, and therefore a life partner, but was not thinking about (and/or wasn't aware of) the many threats to that model.

I agree: if you're young and hot-enough, play that game as long as it's fun, and you're taking time to slow down and conscientiously possible long-term outcomes. Because I agree that the not-fun-ness (or The Dark Side of Polyamory) can be insidiously unclear. The lying-to-themselves problem happens consistently with poly men, even with the therapist I dated for two years, who dumped me when I became disabled and he found a new girlfriend who could go out and do more social things. He certainly spoke and presented like he loved me unconditionally, but it turns out there were TONS of conditions. As a 47-year-old disabled woman, I am functionally invisible to potential partners (and I won't even get into the ableism in that breakup). My ex is now dating a woman 17 years younger than him. Because he can. He looks his age, I look young for my age (I am consistently told by humans and Google's age-determination-from-photo technology). Yet he's a hot commodity, and I'm chopped liver.

Which brings me to one additional factor to consider: the pool of men who opt for non-monogamy tend to include a higher percentage of CREEPS, WEIRDOS, SEX PESTS, ABUSERS and MISCREANTS. Just.. I promise. Polyamorous men are more likely to smell weird than your average guy, you know what I mean? Like, that or SOMETHING like that. Such as owning a didgeridoo (while NOT being an indigenous Australian), or being into practicing one of the more embarrassing circus arts, or truly considers a bunch of birds to be his "family"... not all deal-breakers by any means... but you're in a certain realm of humans that does not reflect the average population.


You don't need to check, it's true. I did SO much research in the last 5 years... and was date raped for my trouble. And sent first messages full of unwanted sexual content. And surprise dick pics after trusting someone enough to exchange phone numbers. And being scolded for not sending photos of my genitals to someone before we had met in person, on literally the first day we had connected. And being ghosted repeatedly. It was MURDER on my self-esteem, and just made me upset about the state of humanity, but I, 1) just KEPT blaming myself, and/or 2) just KEPT TRYING, giving more and more people chances, instead of realizing I was fighting a losing battle (The Dark Side of Nevertheless, She Persisted 😆+🙄+😓). And just think about the numbers: many of the good guys get partnered up and stay that way. The longer you mess around with your life and your future (how I see polyamory now), the higher your risks of winding up lonely. You are dating the dregs. Of course there must be absolute gems in there, but realize that they will be fewer and farther between the longer (AND older you are when) you choose polyamorous dating.

I want to clearly state that this has been my experience dating hetero cis men. I have met far more high-quality females in my poly circles than men. So I am only speaking from my experience. And I went on first and second dates with guys who seemed great, we just weren't a match... but compared to when I have been seeking men who were seeking monogamy, even the seemingly-best of the pool is hilariously disappointing.

Another factor to consider is how long someone has been polyamorous. With it becoming so trendy recently, there are a lot of newbs. And they might PWN your heart through selfishness and ignorance and not thinking hard or reading much before deciding to TRY polyamory. You are in an experiment, whether these dudes know it or not. That's a very bad place to be. I've found that their moment of revelation is likely to come when their face is buried in someone else's pink parts. Good women get REPLACED really, really often, because these men do not know how to distinguish NRE (New Relationship Energy) from The Truth; they've never practiced, and instead of talking to you about how they are feeling, they are likely to hide it from you to keep things convenient or desire-fulfilling for them. I recommend not dating anyone who has been polyamorous less than 3 years. Minimum, seriously. Polyamory has a learning curve, and it involves examining one's own identity and role in the world; not everyone does a lot of introspection, and some people introspect in a self-serving, dishonest manner. Sorry to say it, but I think I can say 'especially men' without being off-base. Not all men of course, just MORE men than women exhibit this behavior.

My advice to young people: enjoy life how you want to, but make a point of occasionally trying to examine your life and make the most cynical assessments you can. Not that those are fully right, but see where the doubts lead. One of my happiest friends actually makes time every new year to look back at the year passing, and the year ahead. I recommend journaling during this process, or being alone in nature, or letting your thoughts percolate while you do something joyous, like dancing. Listen to your gut. It will tell you hard truths. My main regret in life is not taking my gut instincts seriously enough.

If you have a partner now, whether monogamous or polyamorous, think about it like you're just meeting the two of you as a couple... what do you see after taking off the rose-colored glasses? Ask your friends and family for their honest opinions of this partner and the two of you together. Plead with them not to avoid uncomfortable conversation, as your early decisions about relationships have more repercussions than you're able to know now that you should even be thinking about, I promise. Including others not wanting to date you later, as mentioned above, because they will think you aren't capable of monogamy. Similarly, when I've made the mistake of telling newer acquaintances casually about my "sex friend," the response isn't usually laughter and delight like with my poly friends... it's usually the other person becoming visibly, instantly uncomfortable.

I am not judgmental about people choosing polyamory, even though I've decided that's not for me anymore. I am pro-fun, pro-getting your dopamine in whatever ethical way you desire, pro-adventure, pro-experimentation. But don't kid yourself into thinking there's no downside. That includes not having enough time to pursue your own non-age-dependent pursuits, which is SO important as you age. Hang onto your identity! Develop a rich inner life, practice your hobbies, relish and tend to your friends and family, try new things, etc. I wish I had known then what I know now. Think about what would make you happy if you suddenly can't leave your home without having to endure plenty of pain and unbelievable hassles... because it happened to me, and it could happen to you, at any age. And in this society, for women, JUST the experience of aging can be akin to developing a stigmatized disability.


Love and luck to all 🤍

I have a few things in common with you that I found interesting. I became disabled when I was 45. I’d had back surgeries up until that point but my mind finally realized that I couldn’t keep up with the work pace I’d been used to for most of my life. So, something had to give. I was lucky to be in a very loving V for about ten years at that point. I don’t know if I would have survived otherwise. You mentioned your disability in a very relatable way to me.

I’ve had the experience of telling new acquaintances about my “family” and getting stutters or blank stares in response. I’ve always been an open book, what you see is what you get kind of person. Unfortunately most people are not. I was raised by hippie parents and their “village” but somehow landed in the uber-judgmental Deep South. Talk about a learning curve. I can’t tell you how many times my husband said “but dear, it just isn’t done that way in the South”.

If you ever need to chat, I’m here. Wishing you the happiest 2025.
 
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