Walking a new path...

Paradigm shifts in thinking

I read through a couple of threads, was totally unproductive at work yesterday, and had a couple paradigm shifts in my head. Basically, my thinking has changed from restricting what they can do in order to protect us, to doing what I can to support and strengthen us, in order to allow them to grow and get closer without it being a threat to us.

It's a huge shift/change for me. I was all about the rules. Now I want to focus on what I'm doing in MY relationship to strengthen and support it, rather than putting brakes on what THEY do. Although there are some things I'm still not comfortable with, it is less about them and more about us now. I don't know if this actually makes sense to anyone but me. However, I feel much lighter and more relaxed.

Good day for me yesterday. End of day had me at a friend's house for coffee, explaining poly to her. When I got home, Wellington was cranky with me for being out. It came down to communication. He didn't communicate with me that he wanted/needed me home, and it created issues. But we worked it out.
 
Basically, my thinking has changed, from restricting what they can do in order to protect us, to doing what I can to support and strengthen us in order to allow them to grow and get closer without it being a threat to us.

You're getting it! I totally get this. It's amazing, the depth and connection that follows. Just when you think you can't possibly connect any deeper with a partner, then poly comes along. Of course, it takes a bit to get to that part, but sticking with it can yield some incredible results.

Good for you! :)
 
Basically my thinking has changed from restricting what they can do in order to protect US... to doing what I can to support and strengthen US in order to allow them to grow and get closer without it being a threat to US.

Its a huge shift/change for me. I was all about the rules. Now I want to focus on what I'm doing in MY relationship to strengthen and support it rather than putting brakes on what THEY do... although there is some things I'm still not comfortable with - it is less about them and more about us now :)

You're catching on! Good for you!
 
I dont know how you manage all this, MBG. Full time job, partially disabled husband, 4 kids, and still time/energy for poly partners and kink play? How old are your kids?
 
I dont know how you manage all this, MBG. Full time job, partially disabled husband, 4 kids, and still time/energy for poly partners and kink play? How old are your kids?

Kink play keeps me sane.

The kids are 20, 18, 10.5 & 9. The older two are on their own. My 18 year old is on Fetlife.

Hubby is fantastic at running the house. We live with more mess than we'd like, but it's a trade-off.

As I said to a co-worker (we were talking about the # of courses I take for work-related stuff), I just don't sleep. ;)

I don't currently have poly partners, or even one. But I look at it as friendships. There's just going to be sex involved. ;)

I have had friendships where I have been VERY involved in their lives. It's just a balancing act. :)
 
I used to be strong.

I used to be confident.

I used to be able to walk through my life, knowing what needed to be done, how to do it, and who to delegate to if I couldn't.

I built that strength, that confidence on a very shaky foundation. For many years, if I couldn't deal with something, if either the other party was unwilling, or it simply hurt too bad, I would stuff it. I built a solid-ish block of "not-feeling" on which I drew my strength. Look at me, life throws me curveballs, and while it may not be a home run, I don't strike out.

So I build this foundation on shaky ground, with shoddy materials. And then, one day we do something that blows apart my foundation. And all of a sudden, I'm not able/allowed to continue to stuff my feelings. Let's talk. Let's work through the problems. Let's communicate in a way that is healthy and honest and holy fuck I'm so sick of crying.

I don't know what to build my foundation out of. Every time I try to put up walls, there he is, telling me to breathe, to let it out, to just BE. And I don't know how to do this.

I'm great at listening to other people's problems. I'm not the fair weather friend, I'm the bad weather friend. The one who can always be counted on in a crisis. I do well with a crisis. But put me in day-to-day life... ugh.

I don't want to deal with this. I don't want to FEEL like this. I feel broken inside and I don't know how to find my strength again. But I know that if I find it, if I can heal, if I can fix the brokenness, I'll be stronger in the end. But I'm sick of crying. Who knew I had stuffed everything so effectively for so long? And now it's there.

I am grateful that he's there. That he's walking this journey with me. This part is particularly painful, but without it I would continue to do what I've always done.

There's a saying-- "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

I'm done being insane. I just wish I could stop crying.
 
It's a leap of faith. Trust, that is. Just close my eyes, fall back and have faith that he will be there to catch me. He always has. We've had some issues. We've had some difficulties. But in the end, he's always been there for me.

I just need to close my eyes, take a deep breath, and believe.
 
Its a leap of faith.

Trust, that is.

Just close my eyes, fall back and have faith that he will be there to catch me. He always has. We've had some issues. We've had some difficulties. But in the end - he's always been there for me.

I just need to close my eyes, take a deep breath, and believe.

Yes....yes it is. Well put...Thanks...I think I'll send to my gf.
 
Don't be so afraid of losing something that you jump at every minor difference. Clutching too hard just tends to choke the life out of a relationship.

I want to quote this from another thread. This resonates with me, and is so very important in terms of my paradigm shifts and how I want to look at my poly journey.

Today has been a fairly calm day in my head. What a wonderful feeling. :)
 
I don't know how to explain the awesomeness that is in my life right now. The feeling of RIGHT and GOOD and CONTENT overwhelms everything else.

Monday to last night was hell. It was deep, dark, depressive, painful, unhappy, angry and frustrated. We were finally able to talk last night and just be HEARD, both of us. Came to some agreements. Clarified some things that were important to us. And the weight was lifted. Trust restored. Lots of hand holding, snuggling, making out and other fun things ensued.

We will continue to check in with each other, make sure we're still on the same page, but for now, everything is awesome. :D
 
Yea!

That's awesome!!! I know you've had a rough, emotional week and I'm glad that things are feeling right for you again!

:) Kat :)
 
The question remains, to post or not to post. And if I do post, how much is reasonable to post?

Some of the story isn't mine, but because it directly affected me, I was hurt and angry.

We watched the movie "Killers" with Katherine Heigl & Ashton Kutcher. At one point he said something like, "I work for the blah blah blah with a license to blah."

And in order to tell MY story, I feel like I have to say something like, "It started because Wellington was feeling blah and blah about blah." Because that's where it started. But it's not my place to tell their stories.

I can say that we had an amazing night that past Saturday, an awesome intense scene that left me totally focussed on him and the moment, followed by a fun suspension scene.

Got home late, got up late-ish. Then we headed out to the munch I host.

Right after the munch, I drove 4 hours to my mom's house, stayed the night, went to an appointment with her, then drove the 4 hours home.

An hour or so into the drive, sub-drop started hitting me. I called him as soon as I was in cell range. He was on the phone. I heard him hesitate before telling me he'd get off the phone to talk to me, and I just convinced myself that I'd be fine for the remainder of his conversation. I have music and can sing myself silly until he's done and able to chat.

45 minutes later, we were finally able to talk on the phone. He was upset by the phone call. He wanted to talk to me when I get home.

Sub-drop was pushed aside. I was concerned, thinking the worst has happened.

We chattered a bit longer and I got home within an hour and a half- 2 hours.

Got home, got a great hug. We got the boys situated with a movie and went somewhere mostly private to talk.

He told me what was going on. I was there for him. I listen, I am comforting, I hug him, I'm glad that the worst didn't happen.

I figure after the conversation he's excised the stress, and now I'll be able to get what I need to recover from the sub-drop that has now overwhelmed me.

I get lots of snuggles.

Later that night, he texts her g'night. I say something off the cuff and he's seriously upset again. I was making a joke that should have been "okay" because he told me he was "okay."

We get to bed, I try to talk to him. It results in lots of yelling and crying.

Next morning, we're still not communicating well. More yelling and crying.

Tuesday is a blur. Work was a write-off. I should have called in sick. I spent more time on the phone and on text with him trying to sort it all out than I did actually working. Neither of us remember the day or the evening, but it was frustrating and stressful and angry and hurt-y (not in a good way)/

Wednesday, more fighting in the morning. At work, I have texts & phone calls with him and we're both saying the same things-- we want to be heard, we want to work this out, we need the other to listen. All I kept saying to him is I need him to NOT be angry with me because I was trying to express my feelings. I needed to be able to tell him what was going on with me and get compassion and caring, instead of anger and frustration. I kept repeating over and over-- I need you to not be angry with me. I hung up on him once. Apparently he threw the phone at that point.

We agreed to have a conversation later. Finally came to a place where we were talking. I said to him, "There are some points I need to touch on, and we need to talk in person."

So we get to the end of Wednesday. I get home. We sit and have a conversation.

We do the primary/secondary thing. I know that for a lot of people that doesn't work, but for me, I come first. Our family comes first. Everyone else, family friends, lovers, girlfriends or boyfriends, come second. We're still working out the practicality of that.

But I was starting to feel like someone he had known a couple months was being given equal footing.

I had asked him (Tuesday, I think, maybe Wed) for the remainder of HER vacation with her husband, for it to be just him and me. No texting, no phone calls. She's on vacation with her husband, and I wanted some time to focus on us and connect with us. He hesitated. He argued. He got mad. I felt like I was not his primary. It shouldn't be a big deal for him to say, "Sure, honey. 4 days is not long." But it felt like it was.

So it felt like she was being given equal consideration in terms of the things his WIFE needed. Like he had to check with her to find out if it was okay to meet his wife's needs. That was not okay with me.

We had our conversation.

Things got sorted out. It was an amazing conversation. I won't go into details, but things in my world are right again. My husband and I are on the same page, with the same outlook on poly and how we want poly to look for us.

There are parts to the next few days that aren't my story, either, even though they directly affect me.

He agreed to just him and me during the time I was home, said, yes, it was necessary. We needed to reconnect.

There was a good night text. He was going to call her the next morning to let her know the outcome of our conversation, but the text back resulted in a conversation. I was glad that he could have that conversation with her.

I'm mostly okay now. Thursday I was taking a class on the computer at home. Last night was the start of kicking his butt in canasta, and I have the potential of snuggles, board games, card games and movies all weekend because it's raining.

However, now I'm in the throes of PMS. I am doing my level best to talk down the insecure, unstable feelings, because I KNOW it's not logical. I KNOW it's all hormonal. And I KNOW, based on our conversation on Wed and another one on Thurs, that I can trust him. He cemented that for me. But hormones suck.

I'm so looking forward to this weekend... :D
 
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The ups and downs suck! At some point there will be a new normal in your relationship. Have you tried writing to each other, rather than talking about the same thing over and over again? Sometimes a letter really helps, because it lets you get your whole train of thought out, without being interrupted. Things tend to escalate when you're both needing to be heard at once.
 
The ups and downs suck! At some point there will be a new normal in your relationship. Have you tried writing to each other rather than talking about the same thing over and over again? Sometimes a letter really helps because it lets you get your whole train of thought out without being interrupted. Things tend to escalate when you're both needing to be heard at once.

This.

When I feel I'm not being heard I head straight for the computer & pound it all out. The pounding on the keyboard helps with the frustrations & writing always has been cathartic for ME.

Breathes usually takes a couple of days to assimilate what I said, without letting me know he's read it. (That drives me NUTS, btw.) Possibility will email me to let me know he got it & needs some time to think about it. At any rate, I get my say, uninterrupted & without wild tangents creeping up on us (or smart-assed/snarky comments from either of us), they learn what's on my mind & I feel better. Win/win all the way for me.
 
Oh can I relate to you journey... I hope you feel you can Pmsg anytime... I totally get where you are coming from in terms of the putting oneself aside and sucking stuff up temporarily. That and the "everything is okay" "It fucking isn't okay" thing... tettering on the edge of disastrous emotional craziness. sigh... hard work, but it really does become more normal and balanced. A way of dealing occurs at some point I think. It seems to me when everyone is completely exhausted and realizes that no one is going anywhere and we all have to deal...
 
Gosh, I definitely think it would've been a good idea to just let Pengrah have her vacation w Ari, and let her be, and focus on each other while they're gone.
 
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